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all it was completely silent it comes

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right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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eyes and he said we're not alone

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and joining me in just

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a minute is the one and only alejandro

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rojas

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i might have an in-studio guest donnie

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goslin might join us again the uh

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former boston police officer uh i had a

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lot of people really enjoyed it last

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time he was in studio so he maybe he

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said about 90 chance he might be

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crawling in here

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while we're doing the news and

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so hopefully we'll see what happens our

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guest this evening is mary rodwell from

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australia

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and we're going to be talking about her

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new book and a lot more and thank you

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we are live streaming on youtube a lot

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of people are really enjoying that so

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you can check that out um every

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p.m eastern standard time and that's

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again on our website and on uh youtube

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as well you can find it there

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so uh with that i want to start the show

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of the ufo updates with alejandro how

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are you

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are going pretty well here in maine

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that's good that's really good to hear

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yeah yeah haven't fallen off any ladders

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or anything for a while so

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thank goodness that seems to be one of

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your favorite pastimes yes uh yeah i had

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a contractor here working on the roof

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and i he wanted me to come up and look

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at the roof and i wouldn't do it

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i'm just hoping it's uh yeah it won't

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leak

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take some pictures yeah and then

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text them to me yeah yeah that's pretty

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safe i'm gonna be doing that yeah yeah

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i'm glad to hear that because uh you

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propensity to fall off of roofs and

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ground yeah especially given this

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podcast that you do that you stay

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grounded anyway

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yeah i i suppose that's a good point

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you're right about that yeah

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so what's happening in the uh ufo news

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one story it's not really news it's

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nothing new but there is some news so

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last time i was on your show

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we talked about this sighting uh where

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this person saw

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these these orbs flying around and there

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was a deer watching them right the deer

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and uh so that inspired linda zimmerman

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author of a couple ufo books about ufos

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she contributes to our site occasionally

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story about dogs and ufos so it's tied

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you know man's best ufo witness question

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mark and it's a great story of a lot of

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different stories she's compiled of dogs

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or that sort of thing so it's a lot of

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openminds.tv but yeah a really fun one

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i think i think a lot of linda she's

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um the show on the seventh of june we'll

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cool yeah she's uh she's great

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absolutely great yeah i've spoken she's

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really great yeah

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so uh otherwise you know we do the ufo

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headlines all of the time uh so ufo news

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daily headlines

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and you can find that on our front page

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but one of them i wanted to talk about

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today is really interesting this is it

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hindustani times

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and it's an interesting story mostly

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haitash hopefully i'm saying his name

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yadav is his full name he's a 20 year

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tech student at gurgaon college

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that wrong but he runs a free ufo online

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magazine called ufo magazine and he's a

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founder of a group called disclosure

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team india but it's an interesting story

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his he got interested in ufos when he

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said she was petrified because she saw

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a an alien about four foot tall a gray

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skinned you know same old thing with the

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big black eyes she said it was like

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hovering in their backyard then it moved

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around and moved towards the door and

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the family saw this so itash says he

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thing just vanished

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their town and around um this hospital

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which is in their town of punch

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cendigra i don't know why that's

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significant i'm guessing chandigarh is

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you know a more popular town but anyway

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they had seen this alien so people um

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since then have seen

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allegedly this alien but they didn't

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to see it wow and so that inspired him

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to get really involved and to start up

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this magazine and to start this research

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group that looks into ufos so it's a

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people and um so it's kind of cool

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group that's looking into ufo so it's a

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great story that people can check out

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how they work with mufon and stuff like

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getting insight into ufo research groups

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india um he's remarkable really really

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good blogs

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um excellent research does a lot of

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really great research so i had i really

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didn't have an idea that there was a lot

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of people listening to the show from

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there but there definitely are some

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asia is really far away india is really

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far away but you know at the ufo

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congress we usually have at least a

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there was a guy who wanted us to try to

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help him do a ufo congress in india but

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that was just so difficult and expensive

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that's right that's right

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there you never know it's entirely

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that's entirely possible but if that is

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manchurian candidate thing going on you

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know yeah what if they turn me on and i

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with skype earlier so uh yeah you did

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is that it for the ufo news this week

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for today if that's all right i mean

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interesting uh one of the roger marsh

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mufon stories of course triangles yet

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said he saw a couple

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enormous triangular shaped objects

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floating in the air so um no pictures or

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excellent all right alejandro thanks so

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all right thank you okay so donnie

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gosling did sneak in here he's going to

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this quick music break

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well here we are in the studio donnie

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you i think you have to lean

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uh thanks for thanks for showing up

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back so we can't you have to kind of

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lean in and say hi

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uh when you say hi

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uh let me just see if i can split it out

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a little bit better

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uh

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hey there we are a little bit better

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great yeah i look i'm way up high and

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you're down it must be the chair but

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anyway uh thanks for being um in the

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studio again we're gonna be contacting

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mary rodwell in just a minute

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uh but i just thought i would say hi and

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you just got done reading uh john mack's

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book i did i i read abduction

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and now i'm probably halfway through

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through uh passport to the cosmos ah

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yeah how many did he have more than

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those two books no just those two

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unfortunately he uh

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he died in 2004 he was hit by a

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drunk driver over in london yeah i know

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yeah there's some conspiracy about that

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but i don't i don't i think he was he

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was just tired and um did i think what

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he did at that situation was just um

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think that he was an american looked on

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the wrong side of the road yeah it

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happens it really does

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you probably you've been over the uk i

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mean the first thing that you do is when

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you cross a street you uh you tend to

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look from where the traffic always comes

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from then you step out and before you

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know it you're on the roof of a cab yeah

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yeah yeah no uh um so a lot of people

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are conspiratorial with that but

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i think that's great um that um someone

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of his stature did what he did and uh

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took on such a

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topic which we're actually going to be

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talking about today with mary she'll be

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on in just a minute about that but um uh

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i think uh does he ever mention in

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either one of in either one of those

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books when he went to africa

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um with those uh 60 children probably

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it's briefly mentioned if i'm not

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mistaken in

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in abduction and passport to the cosmos

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as much as i've read there are there are

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some references to that with respect to

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what interactions these children had

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with with uh with these

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these bags yeah

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now uh randy nickerson

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is uh making a film it's on our website

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it's arielle school you'll see a banner

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on that

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uh aerial school incident and i am going

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to follow up with him and see where he's

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at he's been working on that film for

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seven years

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he has been uh he's interviewed almost

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well he's interviewed every

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uh child that was at the that event that

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will uh be interviewed in other words

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there are some that just don't want to

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talk about it but

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um it's really something i i did get to

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meet um emily who was one of them last

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year

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and to actually talk to someone in

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person

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that that's to me is one of the most

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amazing encounters i don't know if

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you've looked into that yeah i did i i i

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did look into it and it was fascinating

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in the sense that the uh the children

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almost to to

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almost every single one really mentioned

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the focus of the communication was on

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on uh environmental disaster and and

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things that were going to occur

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unless uh mankind

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started to uh to

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think differently think outside the box

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right and continue on the same road that

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we're going

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yeah there's not a good outcome yeah

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yeah uh donnie just for uh the person

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that's in uh listening now that didn't

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uh didn't get to

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hear you last time uh your last name is

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goslin right and uh you're a former uh

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retired uh boston police officer that's

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right hence the hat you're wearing yeah

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boston is strong boston strong 617 yeah

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yeah um so but you've had an interest in

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the topic and and by the way everyone i

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live in the middle of nowhere in maine

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so it's amazing but i live up on the

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second right near the second largest

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lake in maine and you have a property

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there yeah we live about five minutes

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from each other yeah yeah well you you

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you just it's your lake house right i

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mean you also live i spend most of the

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time here yeah but you're also all over

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the place in

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other countries and yeah i'm like johnny

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cash i've been everywhere yeah yeah

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yeah but anyway uh it's good to have you

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on and um and so i'm gonna as we go

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along here um you just uh like tap my

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you know shoulder or something if you

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need to ask mary a question and we'll uh

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we'll pull her into the interview now

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so here comes mary and hold on everyone

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all right it's ringing

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hi mary

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thank you

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and here we are we have uh we have

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traveled into the future

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um it is now thursday morning we do make

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it to thursday morning in australia um

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and thanks so much for being on the show

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this is one

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uh you know i can't do shows with anyone

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in the uk because it's it's in the

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middle of the night but australia is

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wonderful because um uh

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it's like 10 o'clock in the morning for

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you there right

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it's a perfect time for me because it's

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the best time in the day anyway because

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as it the day goes on i get very tired

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so this is good good not that you get

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tired but good that this is perfect um

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so mary um for the listener um there are

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a lot of people that are pretty excited

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to to have you on the show

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um for the listener that is not um aware

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of what you have been up to can you just

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give your background and how you

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basically got started in into this whole

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uh situation topic

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um well my background is i'm a former

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nurse midwife

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and then i went into counseling about 30

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years ago

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private practice where i worked with all

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sorts of issues that you can you

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normally get within counseling and human

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experiences until about 20 plus years

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ago a gentleman walked through the door

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and said you know that for this there's

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no support groups for this people just

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think you're crazy and proceeded to tell

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me about the fact that he was aware that

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he was having experiences with

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extraterrestrials going up on spacecraft

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and the thing that was compelling for me

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was it wasn't just him in the family

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that was experiencing it it was his

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partner and the children so this was a

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family affair and fortunately i'd read a

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couple of books on this subject which

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enabled me at least to understand where

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he was coming from a little bit and it

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was through reading communion with by

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whitney street which everybody i think

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within the field knows about as one of

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the classics and also a book by dr john

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mack the former professor of psychiatry

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at harvard university who wrote

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abduction human encounters with aliens

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and then passport to the cosmos so

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fortunately i've read a couple of books

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on this so this enabled me to hear this

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gentleman and to really that really

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started me on this road of trying to

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understand uh-huh and uh do you are you

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actually involved in uh regression

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therapy as well or i've heard you talk

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about that

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absolutely counseling is one aspect and

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the other aspect is that i did

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hypnotherapy um a few years well

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probably about 15 years ago now

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and i do regressions um not just for

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present life but obviously past life but

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also taking people into that space if

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they've had something like missing time

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through seeing a craft or thinking

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something's happened i can take them

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back into that space and they can work

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out from

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in trance state what actually happened

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and it's been extremely invaluable no

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matter what people may think about

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hypnosis what dr john max said and i

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absolutely concur

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is that when you take something into

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hypnosis you're getting a far more

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accurate account of what's happened than

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often conscious memory because conscious

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your consciousness will edit things out

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that don't feel okay to you whereas the

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subconscious doesn't edit anything it

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just says it as it perceives it like a

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blank tape so you're actually getting

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something far more accurate than um as i

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say in conscious memory so it's very

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very

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important as part of my work you know i

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i have a friend who who does that um but

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i'd never heard it put the way you just

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did so now i understand that um your

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subconscious just lets things flow more

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freely obviously and you're not hindered

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by your your conscious mind

501
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um so that is interesting i always

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wondered what made

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uh what was the edge of uh hypnosis that

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made it made it work the way it it does

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and it

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well

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it's it's interesting um the more i've

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worked in that space is what is

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brilliant about it is that people can

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access awareness and understanding that

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they would never with their conscious

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mind because they're always editing

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in their conscious mind whereas if you

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take them into that space and you can

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ask very profound questions and you can

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ask them to access their subconscious

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super conscious and amazing wisdom can

518
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often come through that process because

519
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there are no filters

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so it's it's a very valuable way of

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accessing information and people do this

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through meditation of course and

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relaxation exercises as well i see um

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now

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uh

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mentioned it and donnie who's joining me

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here in studio have is on to his second

528
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book reading that now um what did you

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think of his work overall i you know i

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mean i i was just saying how impressed i

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was with someone with his stature uh you

532
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know actually took on this topic and

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took it seriously and i think that's

534
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really opened the doors for a lot of

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people

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well he certainly did for me i actually

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met john dr john mack um a few months

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before tragically he was he was killed

539
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in london um and what was wonderful

540
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about him even though he came in as a

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skeptic he you know he was just

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open-minded and what he discovered was

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after doing all the psychological

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testing

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and of course he had access to all of

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that anyway he had no problem with

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understanding that they were quite they

548
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were perfectly sane

549
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but what he did find was that they were

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often a lot more intuitive a lot more

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aware multi-dimensionally if you have it

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and when he used hypnosis of course he

553
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was finding out as i am

554
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far more of what goes on um that is is

555
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,280
blocked to the conscious mind and

556
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,080
through it became absolutely convinced

557
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,320
this was not only a reality that we

558
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,720
could learn a great deal from those that

559
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:54,640
had experiences

560
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,679
yes now um i was contacted last night

561
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,679
from someone in this this happens now

562
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,080
and then because of my show my podcast

563
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,600
but i think they saw your name or

564
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,400
whatever um i'm not really sure

565
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,360
but they uh they somehow contacted me

566
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:11,760
and said i think i'm being abducted i

567
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,039
need help so i have that information and

568
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:16,960
so when someone sends me something like

569
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,600
that and needs help um

570
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,600
what would you suggest i do what would

571
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,230
well for me if someone contacts me you

572
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,960
know and this is on a daily basis um

573
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,440
with my work anyway if it's facebook or

574
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:33,440
whether or not it's through my website

575
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,440
or directly is um what i i first do is

576
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,280
send them out a questionnaire and the

577
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:41,039
reason for that is there are a lot of

578
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,320
things with this experience is

579
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,000
somebody's questioning

580
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,240
what is actually going on and for many

581
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,400
people that's exactly you know am i

582
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,400
crazy or is this real i the

583
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,159
questionnaire helps them put the pieces

584
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,240
together a little bit they're jigsaw and

585
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,520
there are things that a lot of people

586
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,200
don't know are related to this

587
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,440
experience but they are not aware that

588
00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:01,440
they are so the questionnaire is more

589
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:03,280
for them than for me

590
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,280
it allows them to you know join the dots

591
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,559
a little bit and then i i will find out

592
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,440
what they feel they most need for some

593
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,760
they just need more information others

594
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,000
want to talk about it or want to share

595
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,559
others want to explore more deeply so it

596
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,480
really is you know my my question to

597
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,799
them then is what do you most feel will

598
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,720
be helpful what do you most feel you

599
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,880
need and from that we can work out the

600
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,440
best way to help yes yes um

601
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,240
now

602
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:33,760
when someone um fills out one of these

603
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,640
forms do you compare it um do you

604
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,039
compare it to like a body of work do you

605
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:41,919
compare to the commonalities that they

606
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,870
absolutely um for me it's more the

607
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,440
information than the identity ultimately

608
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,279
because what it's allowing me to do is

609
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,080
seeing patterns of experience because a

610
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,640
lot of these things are not as tangible

611
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,360
as you know we'd like them to be in 3d

612
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,520
you know we'd like everything to be very

613
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,360
you know very tangible that you know you

614
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,960
can touch and feel the being or you can

615
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,279
touch the craft or whatever but a lot of

616
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,600
the time their experiences are in an

617
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,400
altered state so they're questioning

618
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,400
whether or not it's real or was it was

619
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,799
it a dream or whatever but there are a

620
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,840
lot of things that now we're noticing as

621
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,559
these patterns of the non-physical side

622
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,400
of this experience that are often it's

623
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,960
in trance state but there are changes

624
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,440
and shifts in their awareness and

625
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,840
abilities and their understanding that

626
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,720
happen via the experiences and i'm also

627
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,200
part of another organization called the

628
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,120
dr edgar mitchell foundation for

629
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,039
research into extraterrestrial

630
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,600
encounters free and what we're doing

631
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,400
there is we're working with scientists

632
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,679
you know these are physicists

633
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,360
astrophysicists

634
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,760
psychology professors therapists

635
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,279
researchers

636
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,240
mds and what we've done is put together

637
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,120
600 questions in our surveys

638
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,320
um and with and so far nearly 4 000

639
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:04,880
people have filled them out and primary

640
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,720
for that is getting the data getting the

641
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,279
information and it's been absolutely

642
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,520
profound what we're discovering and

643
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,960
there are things that are going to turn

644
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,120
ufology on its head through what we're

645
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,640
discovering through these surveys and

646
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,559
these are being made available we've got

647
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:23,279
statisticians actually looking at what

648
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,799
this is showing us now um and the most

649
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,799
important thing with this is that what

650
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,039
we're discovering is the broad range of

651
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,240
experiences that um one way

652
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,200
the the scientists in free are exploring

653
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,440
it through the quantum hologram model so

654
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,520
that we can actually understand how

655
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,760
things like intuition you know and

656
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,679
paranormal experiences you know

657
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,080
clairvoyance clairaudience seeing energy

658
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,880
seeing spirits you know and precognition

659
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,880
all these things can be validated

660
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,880
through the quantum hologram and so

661
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,120
there we have a model that will allow us

662
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,440
to understand how people have these

663
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,320
experiences and give them a tangibility

664
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,200
even although it's not ground traces or

665
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,679
marks on the body or implants or

666
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:09,679
photographs of the beings it's actually

667
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,039
showing how experiences literally affect

668
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,400
individuals after their experiences mary

669
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,000
you mentioned the survey and it's a

670
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,720
rather likely survey as you described it

671
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,440
what measures do you take as a

672
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,679
as a as a researcher

673
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,159
to ensure that that the questions

674
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,559
contained in the survey don't

675
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,600
don't

676
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,720
corrupt the answers of the person or or

677
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,120
maybe plant ideas in the person's mind

678
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:38,880
that maybe they would elaborate on

679
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,000
during a hypnosis session

680
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,840
i think it's an extremely good question

681
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,080
and i'm not the expert here in the sense

682
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,559
that this has been a collaboration

683
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,880
between those working in the field we've

684
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,960
got um dr bob davis who's a

685
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,039
neuroscientist who's part of the he's

686
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,240
co-chair of the survey we've got um dr

687
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,600
clemo who is a professor of psychology

688
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,320
and parapsychology for 40 years those

689
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,640
two are actually putting with the help

690
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,960
of researchers like myself and others

691
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,600
the questions are very much in the

692
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,159
open-ended questions so that people have

693
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,399
the freedom to say and understand

694
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,399
without anything being leading they're

695
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,720
very very aware of that just in the same

696
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,559
way i am as a counselor you know you

697
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,600
don't ask leading questions you reflect

698
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,440
um whatever they're saying to you and

699
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,679
you give them the freedom to actually

700
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,840
explain their experiences

701
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,480
and this has been you know quite an

702
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,200
enormous task to actually create

703
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,399
questions that allow the person to share

704
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,159
what's happening to them and these are

705
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,720
the conscious recall by the way these

706
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,840
are not through hypnosis are further two

707
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,840
surveys one of them is going to be

708
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,240
covering far more of the paranormal

709
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,520
and things like they've discovered

710
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:55,679
through hypnosis or whatever but the

711
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:00,000
whole idea is finally to create um a way

712
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,679
of explaining this academically

713
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,320
to the mainstream so that this gets some

714
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,399
credibility this has been our aim all

715
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,559
along and what really we're doing is

716
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,720
we're exploring a way to understand

717
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,960
consciousness not just extraterrestrial

718
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,320
encounters because we know some of them

719
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,880
are interdimensional extra dimensional

720
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,960
and we also know that people have these

721
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,799
experiences if they've had a near-death

722
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,120
experience in fact 40

723
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,440
of those surveyed had near-death

724
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,919
experiences that enabled them to then

725
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,000
start accessing these non-human

726
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,399
intelligences so for them it wasn't a

727
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:37,039
ufo craft or being taken up in a craft

728
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,320
it was through their near-death

729
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,559
experience and that was a catalyst if

730
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,880
you like for awareness or

731
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,840
an ability to access more of the matrix

732
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,919
that allow them then to start to

733
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,000
interact with these beings others it

734
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,320
will be a shamanic waking up call if you

735
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,360
like or a kundalini awakening so there

736
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,600
are many different ways people are

737
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,240
accessing this realm and beginning to

738
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:02,559
contact these non-human intelligences so

739
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:06,320
it's it's not just about the ufo um et

740
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,159
one standard abduction and interestingly

741
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,440
only about 20 percent believe they've

742
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,399
been abducted the rest are actually

743
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,720
saying that this was for them something

744
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,159
that they've welcomed and that's

745
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,440
something that they are participating in

746
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,600
and this is again turning everything we

747
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,679
know on its head because we've always

748
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,240
thought oh you know this is without

749
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,559
people's choice without their consent

750
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,240
and what we're discovering is that a

751
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,799
majority it's actually the reverse of

752
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,600
that

753
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,120
so this is really fascinating um data

754
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:42,799
that we're getting and it's done in a

755
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,399
way that will cover all the all the the

756
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,200
uh um the traditional mandates that you

757
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,760
need to look at so that there is no

758
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,559
question that we are leading those that

759
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,159
are answering the question and it's all

760
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,559
anonymous by the way no there is no

761
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,320
identity with this

762
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,880
needed it's all about the data wow now

763
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,279
when you say with their consent

764
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,480
um how do they give their consent or

765
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,310
it may be conscious they may be already

766
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,120
aware that they've had an agreement

767
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,760
with the beings or the intelligences but

768
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,720
it's also come through in hypnosis one

769
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,840
of the questions that i ask amongst many

770
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,080
others while they're in that space

771
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,760
is have you

772
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,360
on any level

773
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,159
consented to this experience and for

774
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,120
some it's yes before i came here as a as

775
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,080
a soul um i've agreed to this experience

776
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,320
because many of them see themselves

777
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,799
connected to these beings these visitors

778
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,120
and they will see that that connection

779
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,279
means that they sort of if you like

780
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,960
decided to come in

781
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,399
from that source

782
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,279
or that origin of those beings in

783
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,000
physical form or in human form because

784
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,880
of the human experience and some of them

785
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,120
even you know recall

786
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,880
going and meeting up with these beings

787
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,960
and basically telling them what it's

788
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,039
like to be human what happens on this

789
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,120
planet so there's this kind of

790
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:13,600
interfacing going on where these beings

791
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,960
are understanding how it works for us in

792
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,919
human form in our human containers so

793
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,399
this is really quite revolutionary as

794
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,640
far as most people understand that there

795
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,240
is a cooperation

796
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,559
with many many people having these

797
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,960
experiences and i'm working with even

798
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,200
the small children and my book the new

799
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,480
human is that there's nine chapters of

800
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,600
children under 10 telling me how the

801
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,760
star visitors as they call them or their

802
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:42,799
family

803
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,000
um and they've come from that origin to

804
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,640
come in human form with awareness so

805
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,039
that they can tell their family what

806
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,880
it's like and they will actually

807
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,640
communicate and interface with them and

808
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,880
these are children you know as young as

809
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,279
four or five or six saying you know

810
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,279
you're not my real parents my parents

811
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,440
are in space you're just here to look

812
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,399
after me and this is a pattern of you

813
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,880
know many many children that have told

814
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,960
their parents this and the parents

815
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,559
writing to me and i've even talked to

816
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,519
these children and they'll say oh yes um

817
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,360
i was two days ago i was talking to a

818
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,200
nine-year-old here in australia telling

819
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,000
me that his other mother from where he

820
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,320
comes from helps him understand this

821
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,559
planet and he tells her what's going on

822
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,320
and what he understands and told me

823
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,600
quite consciously he's aware of choosing

824
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,240
his parents before he came onto this

825
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,559
planet and and basically told his mother

826
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,559
that you know that i chose you

827
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:40,559
as i came in in human form so he

828
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,760
remembers before he even came here um

829
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,080
where he's from now uh

830
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,320
there's never been any like television

831
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,919
show or anything

832
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,799
like this that the kids could be exposed

833
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:54,640
to i mean what would the skeptic say

834
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,149
well the interesting thing for me is

835
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,039
when you're talking to children under 10

836
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,360
even with all the cartoons with aliens

837
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,360
on it and what have you you don't get

838
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,839
certain concepts coming up that are

839
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,679
complex concepts that these children

840
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,599
will have discussed with me

841
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,520
for example one eight-year-old was it

842
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,599
describing being taken to a planet at

843
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,800
night

844
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,879
with a being which she described that

845
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,040
took her and was teaching her how to

846
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,079
levitate how to use her third eye and

847
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,200
also showing her um genetic engineering

848
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,839
saying she was shown how they do genetic

849
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,919
engineering with different species

850
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,320
different animals different plants for

851
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,359
example and going into detail about this

852
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,200
this is not something you're going to

853
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,760
get on a cartoon or anything and how

854
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,520
this eight-year-old also told me that

855
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,000
when she was brought back the craft

856
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,960
cloaked itself so it wasn't seen by

857
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,119
anyone around when they brought her back

858
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,599
for example another eight-year-old told

859
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,000
me that she was taken by a craft

860
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,400
right to see a black hole and what it

861
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,560
was like in the black hole where she was

862
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,200
seeing planets exploding and coming back

863
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,520
together again including taking her

864
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,000
inside a wormhole where she was seeing

865
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,320
in almost real time things like

866
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,480
dinosaurs and this kind of thing now

867
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,680
these aren't

868
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,280
concepts that

869
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:19,440
the average eight-year-old has any

870
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,640
notion of and you know i i've had three

871
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,359
children i've got five grandchildren and

872
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,119
they're not concepts that they would

873
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,960
come out with as part of their

874
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,640
experience whatever they've seen on

875
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,720
television or whatever yeah i i could

876
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,560
see that i mean that would be really

877
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,400
that is some really strange things to

878
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,400
come up with uh

879
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:40,720
in the chat room phil wanted to know

880
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,320
uh what exactly is quantum quantum

881
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,950
or the quantum hologram hologram i'm

882
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,800
sorry uh

883
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,200
yeah um i mean this is a model of

884
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,680
reality that astrophysicists and

885
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,240
physicists talk about and please don't

886
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,320
ask me to go into detail other than the

887
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,240
fact that i understand that everything

888
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,599
is is like we are if if you like within

889
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:08,079
a hologram of consciousness

890
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:08,880
and

891
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,400
hologram

892
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,160
of consciousness is what we're

893
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,119
interacting with both through our

894
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,520
conscious 3d but our multi-dimensional

895
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,960
awareness as well

896
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:22,880
so that for example

897
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,440
things like intuition um clairvoyance um

898
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,520
all those what we call

899
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,320
paranormal are really parts of our

900
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,320
ability we don't always use them we

901
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,920
don't always trust them because for many

902
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:38,000
people they're afraid that if they do

903
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,200
that there's go you know there's

904
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,359
something they'll probably go a bit

905
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,920
crazy or whatever but what it really is

906
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,400
part of our nature to be

907
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,960
if you like multi-dimensional and what

908
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,280
you can do when you access that side of

909
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:54,000
yourself you that's when you you know

910
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,359
when you get the sense your friend's

911
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,520
going to ring you or you get a get a

912
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,520
sense when you're going down the road

913
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,880
that something's going to happen and you

914
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,880
better be careful those kinds of

915
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,880
feelings and knowings and senses come

916
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,560
from your multi-dimensional self and

917
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,960
from the hologram so basically it's like

918
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:11,520
saying a hologram of consciousness is

919
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,800
what we are part of and the this is the

920
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,040
way that the scientists now are coming

921
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,760
to understand it but if you want to know

922
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,640
its complexity then you need to go on to

923
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,680
you know

924
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,359
some of the uh

925
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,200
websites of the physicist as they

926
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,119
explain it in more detail that's as much

927
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,680
as i can possibly explain to you but i

928
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,160
know from the experiences that people

929
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,240
have that that's what we're doing we're

930
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,480
accessing another aspect of our

931
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,320
multi-dimensional awareness when we're

932
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,560
tapping in to those feelings those

933
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,560
knowings those senses

934
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,560
because all of those actually we all

935
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,880
have but many of us shut them down

936
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,119
because we're afraid to trust them and

937
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,280
yet often it's far better to trust that

938
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,240
than your logic or your analytical mind

939
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,400
mary i'd like to ask you just to follow

940
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,160
up on the the 80

941
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,280
consensual number which seems to be

942
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,359
pretty much in line with what dr mack

943
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,359
reported in his first book

944
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,359
which really for me was a game changer

945
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,200
because i had always thought of this

946
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:14,000
this phenomenon uh as it was

947
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:15,599
as i understood it at the time to be

948
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,720
something that was completely against uh

949
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,760
one's own wishes but uh 80 percent

950
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,760
according to dr macanal we're hearing it

951
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,160
from you as well uh claim that this is

952
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,640
some sort of consensual experience but i

953
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,880
i'd like to kind of mine a little bit of

954
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:33,119
this whole this whole consensual

955
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:34,240
experience

956
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,880
that they have

957
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,359
that that seems to be

958
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,000
common among all the consensual uh

959
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,119
people in other words is this

960
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,000
is this some sort of a uh

961
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,480
what dr mack

962
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,240
referred to on many different occasions

963
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,440
with this 80 consensual is that there is

964
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,079
some sort of communication with respect

965
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,160
to environmental disasters and things

966
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,040
that needed to be avoided in order to uh

967
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,240
to ensure that humanity continues

968
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,359
did you

969
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:11,520
in your research and and the people that

970
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:12,240
you

971
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,400
sort of communication occurring

972
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,599
absolutely

973
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,400
um

974
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,079
excuse me

975
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,040
one of the things we've discovered is 85

976
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,839
found their experiences transformative

977
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,920
and by that it means they've changed

978
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,079
their whole paradigm through the

979
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:34,160
experience and everything that they've

980
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:34,960
ever

981
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,480
accepted as a truth in their 3d

982
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,200
educational conditioning and programming

983
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,440
often now becomes

984
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,720
a question

985
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,640
um but one of the things they notice

986
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,480
from the experience and many of them

987
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:49,920
have said this

988
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,880
that they um every all life becomes

989
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,960
precious that the some of them say i

990
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,359
can't even stand on an ant now

991
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,200
um i can't

992
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,160
i can't see the pain and and

993
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,160
on this planet i can't

994
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,640
cope with the aggression i can't cope

995
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,200
with the war um some of them become

996
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,200
environmentalists where they know that

997
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,119
they're if they almost think it's like

998
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,440
their mission that they have got to do

999
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,520
something now to protect the planet they

1000
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,560
become very very aware of that kind of

1001
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,320
thing and they'll get involved and

1002
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,880
become quite activist in it many of them

1003
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,680
want

1004
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,240
you know more rural holistic lifestyles

1005
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,839
they change their diet many of them

1006
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,520
become vegetarian

1007
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,560
um others want to be healers and want to

1008
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,599
support one another they lose total

1009
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,640
interest in materialistic values um no

1010
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,880
longer interested in generating any kind

1011
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:43,760
of

1012
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,960
you know um funds or whatever other than

1013
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,880
survival and what have you

1014
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,520
so that it's literally everything within

1015
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,240
their framework is altered and change

1016
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,079
and this is the transformative side that

1017
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,040
i'm fascinated by because you know when

1018
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,040
everybody says to me you know what's

1019
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:03,280
their agendas you know what is it that

1020
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,160
they're

1021
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,839
you know what are they doing this for

1022
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,079
and all the rest of it without doubt the

1023
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,960
85 percent are saying

1024
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,280
that it is about shifting the

1025
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,280
consciousness of the human

1026
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,800
from a

1027
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,680
one of a far more blinkered awareness of

1028
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,400
you know the 3d reality and showing them

1029
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,480
that they're multi-dimensional but also

1030
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,640
showing them how we're connected to

1031
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,119
everything that everything you know that

1032
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,040
we are part of a consciousness if you

1033
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,000
like that also is part of what these

1034
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,240
beings are because the way that they

1035
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:39,280
communicate most often is through tele

1036
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,480
through telepathy and i and my sense is

1037
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,480
that when you're getting people becoming

1038
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,520
more sensitive more aware more empathic

1039
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,920
many of them start to feel and

1040
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,560
this communication with these beings on

1041
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,200
a telepathic basis and what i've also

1042
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,040
discovered is a lot of the children that

1043
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,119
are being born now what i call the new

1044
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,000
upgrades of children are being born

1045
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:04,480
telepathic and i've had parents write to

1046
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,520
me um i i recall an email only recently

1047
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,599
of a woman telling me her three-year-old

1048
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,839
daughter was had been telepathic since

1049
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,599
birth and she said my biggest problem

1050
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,920
mary is that she not only reads my mind

1051
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,640
but those around around us as well and

1052
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,480
she said and it's you know she's three

1053
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,560
years old i have to watch my thoughts

1054
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,319
all the time because she she knows what

1055
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,319
i'm thinking she's not the only one

1056
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,920
we're discovering now a lot of these

1057
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,160
children that the parents write to me

1058
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,720
about or talk to me they say that they

1059
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,200
have the ability to tap into thoughts

1060
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,920
and emotion and feelings and they are

1061
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,160
hypersensitive and these are the new

1062
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:41,920
programs that i talk about the new

1063
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,400
humans um are these very aware upgrades

1064
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,480
as i call them and i talk about them in

1065
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,960
my presentations and these these new

1066
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,839
upgrades are being recognized by a

1067
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,760
number of uh

1068
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,079
individuals within different professions

1069
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,720
and i know two molecular biologists that

1070
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,640
talk about these new upgrades one of

1071
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:04,560
them is um

1072
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,839
in sweden dr olsen and she talks about

1073
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:09,920
the leather people the new human the

1074
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:13,520
quantum and these are often diagnosed or

1075
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,119
labelled as adhd or asperger's or

1076
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,920
dyslexic or cell phones of autism but

1077
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,480
actually they are experiencing

1078
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,040
a far more broader

1079
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,200
version of reality a multi-dimensional

1080
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280
reality and that is why they appear

1081
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,440
dysfunctional because they're already

1082
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:33,760
operating from that level rather than

1083
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,800
the 3d the older models like myself

1084
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,720
are operating from so they struggle and

1085
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,560
that's the reason they struggle

1086
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,960
and one gentleman who found he was

1087
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,920
diagnosed as adhd when in his 50s neil

1088
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,960
gold who's a ufologist in in hong kong

1089
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:51,839
re wrote a book um close encounters of

1090
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:56,480
the adhd kind and he read he re um he

1091
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,720
changed adhd to always um dialed into

1092
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,960
higher dimensions because he'd always

1093
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,200
seen reality differently even from a

1094
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,520
small child and a lot of these children

1095
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,079
that are being diagnosed as adhd are

1096
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,880
actually i believe new programs that are

1097
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,839
getting us into a more aware species or

1098
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,920
becoming a more aware species

1099
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,400
now um there it seems to be like almost

1100
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:23,440
two schools of thought uh one is that we

1101
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:24,240
were

1102
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:29,760
know um in ancient times

1103
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,520
and then uh so in that case uh what are

1104
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:35,280
your thoughts on on that first of all i

1105
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,560
should ask you

1106
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,400
do you think that's what uh possibly

1107
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,240
happened to the human race instead of

1108
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,640
evolution or partial evolution and

1109
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,390
absolutely um i've actually got a whole

1110
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,440
chapter on the dna where i i've tapped

1111
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,640
into

1112
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,720
this whole area because i think it's

1113
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,839
really important that people understand

1114
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,520
a little bit more of the anomalies that

1115
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,319
have been found in human dna and as i

1116
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,160
mentioned a whistleblower geneticist

1117
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,640
that was in lloyd pye's book who who

1118
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,960
explored all the information on the star

1119
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,640
child skull and

1120
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,160
he wrote the book the intervention

1121
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,839
theory and in it he's got a

1122
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,280
whistleblower statement from a

1123
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,160
geneticist basically stating that we're

1124
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,040
hybrids that he he knows and can see in

1125
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,400
our dna where we've been spliced um and

1126
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,079
various things he said it's you know

1127
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:28,640
it's absolutely as obvious as anything

1128
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,839
but if you dare to try and you know say

1129
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:34,000
this um you know you'd be hung out to

1130
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,880
dry

1131
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,599
but this is being noted and the other

1132
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,160
thing that's fascinating to me and it's

1133
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,920
you know it's it's already there that

1134
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,079
you've got cro-magnon and you've got the

1135
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,599
neanderthal then you've got what's

1136
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,960
called the missing link and then

1137
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,520
suddenly you have homo sapiens sapiens

1138
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,319
there's twice the brain size for example

1139
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,040
and 223 genes

1140
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:57,839
that um are in that were a sideways

1141
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,640
insertion of genetic material that are

1142
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,480
all to do with higher psychological

1143
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,200
functioning suddenly being part of who

1144
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,599
we are as well and you have those that

1145
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,400
have interactions with ets that say and

1146
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:12,960
are being told by the ets that they have

1147
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,880
put their dna with our dna for example

1148
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,280
so everything and even francis crick

1149
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,119
co-founder of the dna molecule in his

1150
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,359
book life itself was saying the same

1151
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,040
thing he said we were seeded from the

1152
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,880
stars he was also saying they you know

1153
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,359
did certain things and until we get

1154
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,720
ready to um be more involved so we you

1155
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,359
know we we've been if you like um dumbed

1156
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:39,440
down because some of our our genes are

1157
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,160
not switched on yet we only they only

1158
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,319
say that we use five percent of our dna

1159
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,440
and the rest is some kind of um junk

1160
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,760
litter but what what i'm finding is that

1161
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,839
there's part of that now that these

1162
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,839
experiences are telling us that is being

1163
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,760
switched on being activated and this is

1164
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,400
why more and more people are becoming

1165
00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:00,000
more aware becoming more

1166
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,280
multi-dimensionally aware because

1167
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,359
they're that part of their dna is being

1168
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,760
activated and they're relating more and

1169
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,560
more

1170
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,040
to the the the um

1171
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,359
these extraterrestrials that have put

1172
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,160
something in the human dna and and they

1173
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,680
will say well i feel i'm from the

1174
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,079
pleiades or i feel i'm from taurus or

1175
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,240
whatever but what they're doing is what

1176
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,240
i believe is happening that part of

1177
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,040
their et dna is being activated and

1178
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,880
that's why they start to feel their

1179
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,880
connections to these species that are

1180
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,319
visiting us

1181
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,200
from all over the galaxy so why wouldn't

1182
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,520
a couple of things on that

1183
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,640
why

1184
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,359
would they have waited so long to

1185
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,079
activate uh that part of their dna

1186
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,680
that's one of the questions and the

1187
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,000
other one is um

1188
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:48,160
we'll just answer that part first um if

1189
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,119
you would

1190
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
um

1191
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,480
well i don't know the mind of these

1192
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:54,079
these intelligences that are working

1193
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,560
with us but what seems to have happened

1194
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,680
is that we've been allowed to evolve in

1195
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,400
the way that most from what one

1196
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,920
eight-year-old told me they do this in

1197
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,760
other galaxies and other universes they

1198
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,079
seed planets and they wait

1199
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,920
and allow them to evolve in their own

1200
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,640
way my understanding is that because now

1201
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,319
we are becoming space faring species and

1202
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,000
because we have

1203
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,400
technology now that is destructive

1204
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,200
there is a great fear of what we will do

1205
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,359
with it before we become aware that

1206
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,240
we're we're part of a galactic community

1207
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,200
and so um you know the way i describe it

1208
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,440
from what i understand is that if you

1209
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,240
give a three-year-old a loaded gun

1210
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,240
and they don't realize that it can kill

1211
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,880
people you're in trouble so you've got

1212
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,040
to upgrade the child and give it the

1213
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,079
maturity to understand what it's dealing

1214
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,920
with and this is what i think is going

1215
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,440
on at the moment there's a

1216
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,559
fast exponential upgrade program going

1217
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,559
on and this is why these new children

1218
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,359
are so aware and activated because they

1219
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,359
know how it works they're already

1220
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,200
interfacing with these beings which they

1221
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,000
see as part of their family their star

1222
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,880
family in many many cases and so that

1223
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:08,800
they're coming in with these abilities

1224
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,920
and awareness which is helping us

1225
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,400
as we learn from them and this is what's

1226
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,000
happening a lot of the parents are

1227
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,760
learning from the kids

1228
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,359
you know that we are part of the

1229
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,119
consciousness but also part of a

1230
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,839
galactic community and we need to grow

1231
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,880
up and take responsibility for you know

1232
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,880
what we're doing and this is part of

1233
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,119
this exponential increase now in this

1234
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,280
activation that's going on certainly

1235
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,960
it's part of it it's probably not all of

1236
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,119
it at all but it's it's certainly coming

1237
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:39,599
out in i've worked with over 3 000

1238
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,559
individuals globally and the parents and

1239
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,319
and the children that are coming up and

1240
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,119
this is what's coming out of this is why

1241
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,440
they are so much more aware because

1242
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,160
they're basically helping us to grow up

1243
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,400
and mature spiritually psycho

1244
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,640
spiritually if you like um in a way that

1245
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,760
we can interact in a healthy balanced

1246
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,760
and less aggressive way with our

1247
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,640
galactic neighbours if you like now when

1248
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,119
did you notice that these children were

1249
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,640
coming forward and talking to their

1250
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:11,599
parents how long ago would you say that

1251
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,470
oh look i think that there's been

1252
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,040
upgrades been going on for possibly the

1253
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,599
last hundred years um and the older

1254
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,599
generations had these abilities but

1255
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,240
often they were squashed um because they

1256
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,920
were told it wasn't real and not to

1257
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,559
believe it but um the interesting thing

1258
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,280
is that almost each generation from that

1259
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,520
has been being able to just be that

1260
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,319
little bit more aware or at least to

1261
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,280
honor some of it um i was talking to a

1262
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,200
uh 80 sorry

1263
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,720
79 year old lady in in norway

1264
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,640
and i spoke about the new children and

1265
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,160
their abilities

1266
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:54,000
and she said to me she came up to me

1267
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,440
afterwards and said you're the very

1268
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,359
first person in my life

1269
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,119
that is actually spoken about all the

1270
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,440
abilities that these new children can do

1271
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,440
she said i've been able to do it all my

1272
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,760
life i could call the sheep in with my

1273
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,000
mind and nobody knew how i did it but

1274
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,839
she said i'd never heard of anyone else

1275
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:11,760
being able to do it i think what's

1276
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,480
happened is that with the upgrades of

1277
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,280
these two these each generation

1278
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,040
more and more of the parents have been

1279
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,640
more accepting because they've

1280
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,800
experienced it but have not known what

1281
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,280
to do with it or how to understand it

1282
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,760
but because of the internet because

1283
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,599
there's information going out there now

1284
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,520
more and more recognizing this in their

1285
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,359
children and instead of telling them

1286
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,200
don't be silly when you say you're

1287
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,800
seeing a little blue being or you're

1288
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,160
seeing a little green being and they're

1289
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,240
taking up on the spaceship they're not

1290
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,000
telling them anymore don't be silly

1291
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,400
don't talk about it as they may have

1292
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,960
experienced from their parents stop stop

1293
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,400
talking about this is adjust your

1294
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,359
imagination don't be silly um because

1295
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,839
these parents are allowing their child

1296
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,520
to say look this is what i experienced

1297
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,520
because in their heart they know that

1298
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,680
this is a reality as well because

1299
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,520
they've experienced it you're hearing

1300
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,800
more and more now and people are

1301
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,880
approaching me i'm getting emails from

1302
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,119
parents from all over the globe telling

1303
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,280
me what their young children are saying

1304
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,920
and how they understand their reality

1305
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,000
and that they're not from here and that

1306
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,599
they some of them say look i just want

1307
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:17,680
to go home i don't like this planet very

1308
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,400
much

1309
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,920
and the parents relate to it because

1310
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,000
that was how they felt when they were

1311
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,920
young kids but it was squashed or

1312
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,160
conditioned out of them or programmed

1313
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,160
out of them and so they're saying but i

1314
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,920
don't want to do that with my children

1315
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,760
so it's there have been waves and

1316
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,720
generations of upgrades slowly coming to

1317
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,800
the point where now we've got children

1318
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,440
being born that are fully awake to who

1319
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,200
they are why they've come

1320
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,920
with the abilities the their you'd call

1321
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:46,240
them psychic abilities intuition

1322
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,079
telepathy precognition ability to a

1323
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,920
certain telekinetic abilities for

1324
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,240
example so they've got all these kinds

1325
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,200
of what you know with considered gifts

1326
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,000
but it is natural to them and the only

1327
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,640
time that they will stop doing it is if

1328
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:05,040
they're told it's not okay and if

1329
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,480
they're told it's not okay then they

1330
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,400
will stop doing it and they will dumb it

1331
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,839
down

1332
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,400
i come from a background of forensic

1333
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,720
science and

1334
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,599
as a police officer and also as a lawyer

1335
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,000
we talk a lot about evidence we talk a

1336
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,520
lot about circumstantial evidence

1337
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,520
physical evidence all these different

1338
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,760
types of things that tend to prove that

1339
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,920
a certain thing is real and and that's

1340
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,240
why quite frankly i i've come to the

1341
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,359
subject

1342
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,160
very uh reluctantly and very skeptically

1343
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,280
and i i still maintain uh some level of

1344
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:39,520
skepticism but having said that what

1345
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,640
i've read in dr mack's book

1346
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,839
is

1347
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,839
what i found what i got out of it really

1348
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:48,800
was that there was a series of

1349
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,470
evidence that that came to light but it

1350
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,960
was remarkably similar across different

1351
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,480
people who had never communicated with

1352
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,319
one another and

1353
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,319
i still have to say that i remain

1354
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,480
skeptical about this but

1355
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,040
i have an open mind but

1356
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,880
let me ask you this

1357
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,800
what is it about this and i'm sure you

1358
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,559
approached this when when you first

1359
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,319
became aware of it with a healthy dose

1360
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:15,839
of skepticism

1361
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,599
what is a particular case that you have

1362
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,240
uh uh have have treated or a person that

1363
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,640
you have uh have interviewed

1364
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:25,680
that

1365
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,440
this can you give us some particulars on

1366
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,109
oh gosh there are so many um i

1367
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,440
absolutely understand where you're

1368
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,319
coming from and you know i'm i'm the

1369
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,040
next nurse midwife i do i deal with a

1370
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,280
lot of tangibility in that reality and

1371
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:47,760
what have you and i really wanted to be

1372
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,559
clear that i wasn't getting carried away

1373
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,040
and you say you're open-minded and i'm

1374
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,599
open-minded but like you it doesn't

1375
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,520
equate to gullibility

1376
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,960
what i have done

1377
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:01,280
with not only with the adults but with

1378
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,800
the children too

1379
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,079
is

1380
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,200
seeing where they their their

1381
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,119
information

1382
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,599
can be corroborated for example as much

1383
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:14,000
as possible and also try and see if i

1384
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,200
can find

1385
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:17,200
information through science through

1386
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,319
other in

1387
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,720
other knowledge that may corroborate

1388
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,960
their information as well very very

1389
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,359
important and i think you know everyone

1390
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,599
should look at it from both angles

1391
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,680
because you you need to be able to have

1392
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,960
something tangible here with it um but

1393
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,720
i'll tell you something that was really

1394
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,040
quite fascinating and it's to do with

1395
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,280
the children again because if i get

1396
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,240
information from one child i may very

1397
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,319
well see if i can get similar

1398
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,720
information from another and see if it's

1399
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,599
it's the same kind of information

1400
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,240
and this involves two young girls one

1401
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:54,640
was seven and one was eight and the one

1402
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,319
family um the mother and the daughter

1403
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,799
uh had both experiences and the daughter

1404
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,280
had got a symbol that she was shown on a

1405
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,400
craft

1406
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,559
when she visited she said she was taken

1407
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:09,520
to mars and this symbol she had drawn

1408
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:10,799
and she said i have a bit of an

1409
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,920
understanding of it but i'd like to know

1410
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:16,640
if anyone else has seen this symbol

1411
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,640
so i took i took the drawing and i also

1412
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,040
knew of another young lady with the

1413
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,720
whole family had experiences and this

1414
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,880
was in the u.s these families obviously

1415
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,559
have never communicated and this is

1416
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,480
really very important

1417
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,119
and i sent the symbol and i said does

1418
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,760
any of the the children and one was 12 a

1419
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,000
little boy and one was an eight-year-old

1420
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,119
girl and i said have seen this symbol or

1421
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,839
have any idea of it or any sense of what

1422
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:44,960
it is

1423
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,400
and what was absolutely fascinating was

1424
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,480
the little girl said yes

1425
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,319
i've seen it when i was on a spaceship

1426
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,280
when they took me to mars and it means

1427
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,359
this this and this

1428
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,680
and so it was absolutely fascinating

1429
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,000
because i sent the information from that

1430
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,960
family back to the first little

1431
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,280
the girl and her mother and the little

1432
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,760
girl said yes that was exactly what they

1433
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,119
told me

1434
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:13,839
now this was just one symbol

1435
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,480
where there was no front loading there

1436
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:19,920
was no information where she'd seen it

1437
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,000
how she understood it or anything it was

1438
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,480
primarily have you ever seen this from

1439
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,799
the father who was very clear he's an

1440
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,400
engineer and he was very clear that

1441
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,559
there was absolutely no front loading

1442
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:32,799
so you get things like that going on

1443
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,160
which can be quite um amazing in the

1444
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,599
sense of how

1445
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,559
would that happen i have also talked to

1446
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,960
children about their experiences on the

1447
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,200
craft and what they've understood and

1448
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,359
i've had adults say

1449
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,920
the identical things about how they're

1450
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,400
being taught how things are holographic

1451
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,119
how they use their mind to create things

1452
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,040
so many have talked about being shown

1453
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,000
how to use their mind flying craft that

1454
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,559
the the craft is conscious for example

1455
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,480
and a lot of these people it's the very

1456
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,839
first time

1457
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,400
they've ever shared this and i always

1458
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:10,240
remember and this was really profound

1459
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,160
for me i it was a 59 year old man he was

1460
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,040
australian man and he rang me up one day

1461
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,880
and said i've had

1462
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,400
experiences where i think are

1463
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,880
extraterrestrial but i want to know a

1464
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,559
little bit more and i sent him the

1465
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,079
questionnaire

1466
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,839
he phoned me back

1467
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:29,599
in tears

1468
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:33,440
he was so emotional and he said to me

1469
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,200
how do you know about my life

1470
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,960
because everything he'd read in that

1471
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,760
questionnaire resonated with him to such

1472
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,160
a profound degree it shocked him

1473
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,160
and he said i've never spoken about this

1474
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,520
to anyone

1475
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,520
nobody knows this is my experience it's

1476
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,680
the first time that i've ever even

1477
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:52,960
explored it

1478
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,760
so you get those kinds of reactions from

1479
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,160
people and you know it leaves you in no

1480
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:00,880
doubt that how profound this is for them

1481
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,240
and yes many have the tangible marks on

1482
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,799
the body um some have had implants taken

1483
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,640
out and dr roger leah did

1484
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,880
some wonderful pioneering work and i

1485
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,040
mean he was a good friend of mine and

1486
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,520
you know he he's taken out a number of

1487
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,280
of the implants

1488
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,400
knowing um through his investigations

1489
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,240
that there were things about them that

1490
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,960
couldn't be explained that there were

1491
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,559
compositions of them that didn't look

1492
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,799
they came from this planet and some of

1493
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,280
them were highly magnetized etc so

1494
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,680
you've got this you've got people

1495
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:36,079
that find themselves outside with no

1496
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,280
clothes

1497
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:40,319
on and all the doors locked children

1498
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,349
oh

1499
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,720
we froze

1500
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,119
uh hanging it there everyone looks like

1501
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:53,119
it's a skype issue

1502
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:56,319
and uh we will hang up on her and uh

1503
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:02,470
okay

1504
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:09,510
and

1505
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,710
australia has terrible internet service

1506
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,400
i'm told

1507
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,400
the person whom you're trying to reach

1508
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:30,720
is currently unavailable

1509
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:45,349
so uh donnie we may be doing uh our two

1510
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:54,789
uh as it is right now she uh skype is

1511
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,760
not uh she's not picking up on skype

1512
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,680
she may have lost anything there

1513
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:01,920
yes yes i have heard a number of things

1514
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,200
about uh the internet in uh australia

1515
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,119
and we have another guest coming up in

1516
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:09,359
australia in just a couple weeks ben

1517
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:10,720
hurle

1518
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,599
um a few other guests coming up i will

1519
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,799
just read

1520
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,200
while we're trying to get a hold of

1521
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,680
of mary we have uh next week we have

1522
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,480
john

1523
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,559
de sousa he's a former

1524
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,119
former uh fbi agent

1525
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,359
oh mary

1526
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,200
there you are you're back

1527
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,720
all right

1528
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,040
um thanks uh i don't know what happened

1529
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,200
was it your internet that uh

1530
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,160
do you have any idea i idea

1531
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,799
it was working as far as i know but look

1532
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:42,559
who can probably have no idea where you

1533
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:48,470
um i'm not really i was talking about

1534
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:51,680
the tangible markers

1535
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,640
of experiences with the implants

1536
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,799
um and this kind of thing which are very

1537
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,880
important for people to understand that

1538
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,480
they're having experiences and i think i

1539
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,240
mentioned dr roger i don't know if you

1540
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,680
recall that

1541
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,000
yeah because those tangible markers have

1542
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,839
been very important but also people

1543
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,160
being found outside with all the doors

1544
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,480
locked for example this kind of thing

1545
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,880
the missing time episodes where they

1546
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,559
can't um

1547
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,640
qualify a couple of hours on their way

1548
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:21,280
on a journey sometimes and have no idea

1549
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,440
what happened all those kind of more

1550
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,880
physical things

1551
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,920
but what

1552
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,079
is much harder to quantify and i really

1553
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:30,400
understand you know from a 3d

1554
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:33,200
perspective you know how do you quantify

1555
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,160
the changes the psycho-spiritual changes

1556
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,880
that people experience after contact and

1557
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,720
this is really what the organization of

1558
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:42,400
free is about because

1559
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:46,400
with the having a model to explain how

1560
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,920
you can access the hologram and your

1561
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,160
multi-dimensional self through the the

1562
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:54,720
quantum hologram allows us then to

1563
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,000
explore that side of this experience in

1564
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,680
a way that will give us better

1565
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,280
understanding and

1566
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,680
exploring consciousness really is what

1567
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,079
we're talking about here because this is

1568
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,160
how many people change it's their

1569
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,319
consciousness that changes their whole

1570
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,960
focus changes and when people say well

1571
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,359
where is you know what is the evidence

1572
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,240
the evidence is you don't change

1573
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,960
in such an important transformative way

1574
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,039
unless something real has happened

1575
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,119
you know that someone who has maybe an

1576
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,119
experience in their lives a profound

1577
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,599
experience in their lives whether or not

1578
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:31,599
it's a grief experience or whether it's

1579
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,160
a spiritual experience they are changed

1580
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,559
by it through that experience the exact

1581
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,319
same thing happens

1582
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:41,359
through these kinds of experiences and

1583
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,760
also what goes with that and i know this

1584
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:46,160
is going to sound maybe very weird to

1585
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:48,640
some people listening to this they start

1586
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,520
to do unusual things for example they

1587
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,760
start to draw the beings that they've

1588
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,000
seen for example they may find

1589
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:58,880
themselves drawing strange writing

1590
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,359
or scripts they may find themselves

1591
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,319
doing strange geometric drawings or

1592
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,640
symbols for example

1593
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,559
others start to find themselves coming

1594
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,640
out with unusual languages you know we

1595
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:12,640
call these star languages

1596
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,680
from simply their experiences now why do

1597
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,359
people do this

1598
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:18,960
from you don't do this from a

1599
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,440
hallucination you don't do this from a

1600
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,520
fantasy you're doing it because

1601
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:25,599
something's happened to trigger

1602
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,880
these unusual expressions after contact

1603
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,039
why do people suddenly want to change

1604
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,280
their lives completely and have a more

1605
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,440
holistic lifestyle get interested in

1606
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:38,160
healing get interested in the ecology

1607
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:40,240
get interested in wanting to make a

1608
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:44,400
difference from being you know 3d i'm

1609
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:45,440
one of the

1610
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:48,319
co-founders of free is a lawyer

1611
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:52,880
very atheist lawyer very 3d until he had

1612
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:55,599
a huge craft go over his house which his

1613
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,400
wife and his daughter saw and and a

1614
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:00,880
being that came his dog was dying was

1615
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,760
very very sick and they saw this being

1616
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,400
that actually healed the dog after this

1617
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,119
experience you know ray hernandez is his

1618
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,720
name now no longer interested in 3d he's

1619
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,359
been fascinated with quantum physics and

1620
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,640
was inspired to create with myself and

1621
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,119
dr edgar mitchell and also dr rudy

1622
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,760
shield free the organization of free

1623
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,480
from that experience from having his

1624
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,119
world turned upside down this is what i

1625
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:31,039
mean you don't do if this is a

1626
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,680
hallucination you don't actually want to

1627
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,880
change your life

1628
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,440
and that is an evidence of a reality you

1629
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:39,599
know just as trauma can change the way

1630
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:41,760
people react and people you know we've

1631
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,720
got pstd um you know

1632
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,520
after a traumatic experience people will

1633
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:49,920
often have this as well of course if

1634
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,440
they've been traumatized and they don't

1635
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,680
know what's going on we'll also have

1636
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,000
post-traumatic stress disorder as well

1637
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,160
so it's evidence of a reality by the

1638
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,000
mere fact that they have these

1639
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:03,200
transformative changes and 85

1640
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,119
of the 3000 plus that did this survey

1641
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,039
said that they had psycho spiritual

1642
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:11,119
changes everything changed in the way

1643
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:13,599
that they saw the world they had a huge

1644
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,480
paradigm shift they became more psychic

1645
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,440
more aware on multiple levels

1646
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,440
and it can be very scary because you

1647
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,280
know one minute you're seeing the world

1648
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,280
through this lens and the next minute

1649
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,400
you're seeing the world

1650
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,400
multi-dimensionally you're sensing

1651
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,559
emotion you're sensing feeling you're

1652
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,480
aware of what's going on another part of

1653
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,319
the planet because you're able to access

1654
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,440
it this is what occurs from these

1655
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,240
experiences and there is your evidence

1656
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:42,720
your evidence is from the transformative

1657
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,280
effects of this experience and i know

1658
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,280
that for a lot of people that's a hard

1659
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:48,720
one to swallow but if they've looked

1660
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,680
into ndes and near-death experiences any

1661
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,839
of these kinds of experiences it's a

1662
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,680
similar kind of psycho-spiritual

1663
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,359
transformation this is the first time

1664
01:07:02,069 --> 01:06:58,960
i've ever heard

1665
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,079
anyone mentioned anything about the uh

1666
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,119
near-death experiences like propelling

1667
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,200
um into what they think may be

1668
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:09,920
abductions or whatever but uh going back

1669
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:13,760
to something you said a few minutes ago

1670
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:16,559
was something about this young child

1671
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:19,839
saying that they were taken on mars and

1672
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,240
right away like the red flags go up for

1673
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,640
me if i hear something like that because

1674
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,240
it kind of goes back to what the

1675
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,720
contactees used to say

1676
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,720
that they used to go to venus and mars

1677
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,319
and all that but

1678
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,079
i always wonder

1679
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,680
why

1680
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,240
any a being would take someone to a

1681
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,799
planet that's basically uninhabitable

1682
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:43,119
and what would the purpose be other than

1683
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:49,829
very important question and one that

1684
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,720
certainly challenged me too because

1685
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,160
you know to hear that they're being

1686
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,400
taken to other planets

1687
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,640
and been shown things

1688
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,960
what i understand is that

1689
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,640
when they go up on the spacecraft

1690
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:04,880
they're taught a great deal that we

1691
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,200
don't understand you know one of the

1692
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,200
young girls called it magic school and

1693
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,000
they taught them about time and space

1694
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:13,839
which is a funny kind of magic school

1695
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,599
but what they're really saying is you

1696
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,400
know this is to do with physics etc

1697
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,719
what i seem to understand is not only

1698
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,640
are they taken on craft where they have

1699
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,040
lessons they're educated on the craft

1700
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:26,960
and one of the little eight-year-olds

1701
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:29,279
was telling me in this very office

1702
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,040
when he explained to me that when he

1703
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,520
goes up on the on the craft he goes up

1704
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,799
there with a couple of his school

1705
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,480
friends he doesn't know whether they

1706
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,520
remember or not and he described being

1707
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,000
in a room where there were other

1708
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:44,799
human children and i said so when you

1709
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,440
say human are there other children that

1710
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,759
are not human he said yes and i said how

1711
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,679
do you know he said well because their

1712
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,040
eyes are different and they are

1713
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:55,600
different and i said so what happens and

1714
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,799
he just

1715
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,480
he explained to me they use their

1716
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,960
consciousness their mind to be taught

1717
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:03,440
things and how to manipulate things with

1718
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,000
their mind like you know telekinesis for

1719
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,560
example and they are shown

1720
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,159
you know what they can do with their

1721
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,120
consciousness but they are also shown

1722
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,199
you know more of of what happens in

1723
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,279
space you know the the planets the

1724
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,199
history of the planets

1725
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:21,279
much of it that we don't understand when

1726
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:25,120
i was talking to a um a 16 year old and

1727
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,239
i said to him um he said i've got a past

1728
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,799
life memory where i was on mars and he

1729
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,799
said i can actually build interstellar

1730
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,880
craft and i said well

1731
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:36,719
how did you know was this because you

1732
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,199
were taught on the spacecraft or you

1733
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,440
have what some of them called downloaded

1734
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,040
information

1735
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,440
and he said no it's because i remember i

1736
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:47,359
used to do that when i was on mars and

1737
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:48,480
he was talking

1738
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:51,279
about having a life on mars and so it

1739
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:53,920
seems that they're taught also about the

1740
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,000
civilizations were that were on other

1741
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,880
planets and and being taught more of the

1742
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:01,440
history that we don't know in our very

1743
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,400
insular earth history where we're given

1744
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,480
you know the snippets of what our own

1745
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,120
history is um they're being taught a

1746
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,440
galactic history and this is part of the

1747
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,120
reason they're shown these different

1748
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,600
planets and what's on them and how to

1749
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,360
understand them so it's they're being

1750
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,199
taught literally more of an

1751
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,080
understanding of the nature of every

1752
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:24,800
species not just humans i you know if

1753
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,320
that makes sense and fascinating it is

1754
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,679
that that you know there's not just one

1755
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,199
or two of them that talk about being

1756
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,600
shown these different planets or going

1757
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,000
interdimensionally these are many

1758
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,239
hundreds now that have said the same

1759
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,719
thing to me and they say the problem is

1760
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,360
that you know for most of humans they've

1761
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,760
got no idea how can you tell them this

1762
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,679
how can you explain to them this is what

1763
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,840
you are aware of or you've been shown

1764
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,360
because most people just shake their

1765
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,440
head and say oh you know you're crazy or

1766
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,640
whatever so that's the problem you know

1767
01:11:02,870 --> 01:10:59,760
we are being exposed to all of this data

1768
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:02,880
but we are conditioned and programmed so

1769
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,360
heavily that it's really hard to own

1770
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,360
that maybe just maybe

1771
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,080
some of this may have integrity this

1772
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,199
this may actually be what's going on and

1773
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,840
until we start to at least be open to

1774
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,679
hearing it we don't have to believe it

1775
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,520
all but we at least can be open to

1776
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,360
hearing what they have to say

1777
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,280
maybe we'll get a better idea of what's

1778
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,199
really going on rather than saying oh

1779
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,360
well i can't take that on that's just

1780
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:29,840
too weird as soon as we do that we shut

1781
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,640
down

1782
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,480
our understanding and i think we're

1783
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,840
being

1784
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,040
challenged

1785
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,920
to open to the possibilities even if we

1786
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:40,080
don't take them on board at this moment

1787
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,199
in time

1788
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:43,120
one of the things that i saw

1789
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:44,239
in

1790
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,920
excuse me

1791
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:49,199
was

1792
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:55,760
to perform an examination on on human

1793
01:12:03,189 --> 01:11:59,600
beings in this situation and it was

1794
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:03,199
drawn by two different people that dr

1795
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,719
mack was interviewing or or he was uh

1796
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,719
that he was counseling and they came up

1797
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:12,159
with the same

1798
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,120
almost

1799
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,199
identical drawing and identical scenario

1800
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,360
and how this this thing was used

1801
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,880
these people didn't know each other

1802
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:20,239
these people were from different parts

1803
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:21,440
of the country

1804
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,400
this

1805
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,199
type of thing had not entered into the

1806
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:27,920
popular uh

1807
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,640
into the popular discussion really

1808
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,400
of these type of events

1809
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,920
so really

1810
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,239
it's remarkable in the sense that two

1811
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,320
different people come up draw the same

1812
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,040
object from different parts of the world

1813
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,199
and describe the object being used in

1814
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,440
the way that it was so i guess that's

1815
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,080
kind of a way to to ask you you would

1816
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,280
mention two children who have drawn the

1817
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:53,040
same type of symbol

1818
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:54,080
could you

1819
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:01,590
it was almost like um a t it was um but

1820
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,120
more um cuboid if you like um like this

1821
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,120
but i found that

1822
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:09,360
same correlations with some adults with

1823
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:10,880
some of the symbols because that's been

1824
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:14,000
an area that i've been fascinated by is

1825
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,960
how can

1826
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,199
if someone is saying this is you know

1827
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,000
what i'm being shown or this is a symbol

1828
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:22,800
or this is whatever it is if i get

1829
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,360
others that have no connection to one

1830
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:26,800
another and of course you as a

1831
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,440
researcher you're very careful about you

1832
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:31,600
know there's not any cross-contamination

1833
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,560
or whatever

1834
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,159
and you get

1835
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,400
drawings of the craft you get different

1836
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,000
beings what they wear whether they've

1837
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,239
got symbols on them or whatever if you

1838
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,560
can see that you've got two three four

1839
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,719
or five that are all doing the same

1840
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,560
thing then it really gives it a

1841
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,280
tangibility and it's exactly the same

1842
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,800
with some of the things they may say

1843
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,280
about what they experience um when you

1844
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,960
talked about this

1845
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:56,560
kind of object

1846
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:57,360
um

1847
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,480
that

1848
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,480
you know was doing a kind of healing

1849
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,040
procedure or some kind of thing i've had

1850
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,440
children draw a particular object

1851
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,440
you know very similar to that saying

1852
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,440
this one was like a scientist i remember

1853
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,239
this 13 year old from canada doing a

1854
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,640
drawing of this being and holding this

1855
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,120
object and saying he was a scientist and

1856
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,199
it was all to do with dna

1857
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:21,280
so he was aware that it was connected to

1858
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,679
dna and and that that was one of the

1859
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,520
instruments and he said it it actually

1860
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,000
helped it wasn't like a gun or anything

1861
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,320
it said it helped you put you to sleep

1862
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,080
so he was aware it was like it acted

1863
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,719
like an anesthetic or whatever it was

1864
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,480
for example so they often have an

1865
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,520
understanding of what these things are

1866
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,239
very very important that if i can

1867
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:45,360
qualify in some way or corroborate in

1868
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,760
some way the stories of the children

1869
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,560
then absolutely it's it's it's it helps

1870
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,199
us all then to you know open our mind to

1871
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,760
the possibilities and whatever and i've

1872
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,760
through my you know my book particularly

1873
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,520
my second book with the children you

1874
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,600
know i've done my best to corroborate as

1875
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,120
much as i can

1876
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,280
similar stories or or similar

1877
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:07,760
understanding but the the bottom line is

1878
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:11,679
for me you know that really gives me um

1879
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,480
heart with this is the number of emails

1880
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:16,159
when i've done presentations and i've

1881
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,840
shown some of this material where

1882
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,679
somebody said that's been exactly what i

1883
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,920
saw or that was exactly what i

1884
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:24,159
experienced or that was how i understood

1885
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:26,719
it and the fact that it's resonating

1886
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,120
with more and more people as far as i'm

1887
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,040
concerned is the most important thing of

1888
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,600
all i'm not out to prove anything i mean

1889
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,760
who am i i'm a researcher i'm primarily

1890
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:37,840
a therapist you know i want to help

1891
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:40,640
people to understand and cope with

1892
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,400
what's going on with them someone who's

1893
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:43,520
going to listen

1894
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,400
not judge and allow them to explore

1895
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,320
what's been going on for them with as

1896
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,880
much openness as they need that to be

1897
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,320
they need someone to listen without

1898
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:54,239
saying oh well i can't believe that oh

1899
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,600
well when you just said that i can't

1900
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,880
believe that as soon as you do that you

1901
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,719
shut them down how are we going to find

1902
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,360
out if we don't give them that open slab

1903
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:03,360
of that open mandate to at least say

1904
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,080
this is how i understand my experiences

1905
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,480
and then with the information that you

1906
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,640
can offer them you may be able to offer

1907
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:12,800
corroboration with certain aspects of

1908
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,400
their experience and then it's up to

1909
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,960
them whether they take on board

1910
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:19,360
and believe and understand it or if they

1911
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,880
say look it's all too hard i'd rather

1912
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,640
not you know you know

1913
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,480
believe any more of this even if i know

1914
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,159
i've experienced it i'm not cool with it

1915
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,640
or whatever it really is up to them my

1916
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,640
job is just to collate the information

1917
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,560
i'm not there to judge it i'm there just

1918
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,280
to tell the story and say you know

1919
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,040
this is how i've come you know this is

1920
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,600
what i've been told um this but i can

1921
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,840
corroborate with someone else

1922
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,520
at the end of the day it's up to the

1923
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:45,440
person reading the story or listening to

1924
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,360
the story to make up their own mind

1925
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:48,960
whether or not this makes sense to them

1926
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,520
on or resonates with them or not i'm you

1927
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,280
know i'm not here to prove anything to

1928
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:55,520
anybody that's not my job my job is to

1929
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:58,320
just produce the research that i have

1930
01:17:01,430 --> 01:17:00,000
and let people make up their own mind

1931
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,440
because ultimately that's all that

1932
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,199
matters yeah you're right uh people do

1933
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:04,880
shut down as soon as you

1934
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,280
um as soon as you don't believe them and

1935
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,679
you you know listening is really

1936
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,239
important i think um i've seen that

1937
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,239
happen before as far as people shutting

1938
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:16,080
down if

1939
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,880
now

1940
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:18,159
donna on the

1941
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,320
message board wanted to know what is the

1942
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:22,640
difference between the indigo children

1943
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,709
very good question and i

1944
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:30,560
in my book the new human i actually

1945
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:33,360
address the indi what metaphysicians are

1946
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:35,360
calling indigos crystal children

1947
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,800
children of light

1948
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,040
golden children all those ones they're

1949
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,199
noticing difference in behaviors they're

1950
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:43,120
noticing difference in attitude and

1951
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,480
personality in those particular labels

1952
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,040
what they're not taking on board and

1953
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,840
this is what i have seen is when you

1954
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,000
bring in the extraterrestrial

1955
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,199
aspect of that what what we're seeing is

1956
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:59,120
that these are another name for the

1957
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,719
upgrades

1958
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:02,880
but i will say what you bring in with

1959
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,760
that are those that we call adhd

1960
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,920
always dialed into higher dimensions for

1961
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,360
example

1962
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:11,920
asperger's i think dyslexia is another

1963
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,719
program i think some forms of autism are

1964
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,480
another program because the autistic

1965
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,159
children they're discovering now are

1966
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,480
telepathic many of them are telepathic

1967
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,239
and there's some really credible

1968
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,719
research that's showing that that a lot

1969
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,400
of the autistic children happen to be

1970
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,880
telepathic and happen to be accessing

1971
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,719
more of a multi-dimensional reality and

1972
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,800
that is why they struggle um because

1973
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:34,640
we're trying to put them into a smaller

1974
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:37,520
box of 3d and they struggle with that

1975
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:41,120
the same goes for those the adhd that

1976
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:43,199
they're operating at a faster speed if

1977
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,520
you like and to give you um a a bit

1978
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:49,760
from a more tangible way of looking at

1979
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:50,560
this

1980
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:53,760
dr brown molecular biologists said the

1981
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,880
exponential increase in autistic add

1982
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,360
indigo children they have new genetic

1983
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,440
architecture which allows them to see

1984
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,760
the world in a multi-dimensional fashion

1985
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:06,000
he believes research would show dormant

1986
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,040
genetic regions are being re-integrated

1987
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:11,280
into the biological systems and

1988
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,120
occurring in all of us to produce

1989
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:15,440
expanded awareness their brains work

1990
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,440
faster they have access to more

1991
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,280
information in the beginning in the

1992
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,040
classroom learning is much faster than

1993
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,440
normal and he says i believe they

1994
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,679
already know what's being taught there's

1995
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,320
more of that that he he says about these

1996
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:29,520
new

1997
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,800
human dr lena olsen also a molecular

1998
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,400
biologist in sweden

1999
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,040
calls them letter people um and she's

2000
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,280
she's she says that she's one as well

2001
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,239
and she's adhd stroke slightly autistic

2002
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,320
or whatever and she's saying you know

2003
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,040
even their sensitivities they they hear

2004
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,280
at a broader range of hearing their

2005
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,920
visual um their visual uh spectrum is

2006
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:55,679
broader as well so they're seeing and

2007
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:58,480
sensing more um even the sensitivity on

2008
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,040
their their skin so this is why they

2009
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,440
react in the way that they do and how

2010
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,280
they struggle to be

2011
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,840
focused in 3d because it's a lot slower

2012
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,239
in 3d and they're having to

2013
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,480
shut themselves down to be able to even

2014
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,560
concentrate because they're operating

2015
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,719
all the way all up here and i've had

2016
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,920
educators contact me i've had along with

2017
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,080
parents saying everything you're saying

2018
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,719
is identical to what my child is

2019
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:26,960
experiencing and there are many

2020
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:28,719
educators out there that know this is

2021
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,600
going on and i'm in touch with them who

2022
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,360
are actually telling me they've they

2023
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,199
believe there has to be a new way of

2024
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:38,239
teaching a new kind of curriculum for

2025
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,199
these new new programs of human which

2026
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,760
are being assisted by these

2027
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,199
intelligences

2028
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,360
they believe and certainly the children

2029
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,440
seem to understand their connection with

2030
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,040
these beings which they're interfacing

2031
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,760
with and and and talk about their their

2032
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,280
they'll call them their teachers or

2033
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,760
their guides and one may be blue and one

2034
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:59,440
may be green and they're teaching them

2035
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,520
information they don't learn in their

2036
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,400
schools here so people can take this for

2037
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,080
what they you know they can believe it

2038
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,480
or not but this is what i'm finding and

2039
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,239
this is why i've written what i've

2040
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:12,960
written because it seems to be a global

2041
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,960
phenomenon now i know in the westall

2042
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:18,400
uh incident

2043
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:21,760
that um there wasn't any uh supposed

2044
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:23,920
abductions or anything like that but ed

2045
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,320
um in the message board wanted to know

2046
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,960
have you ever researched that uh

2047
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:30,960
westall school case

2048
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,360
and uh how had it

2049
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:35,520
uh and the good question in this i think

2050
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,320
is

2051
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:39,440
if so how had that impacted the children

2052
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,480
later in life

2053
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,800
it's a very good question i'm very i'm

2054
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,360
up to date with the westall um

2055
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:49,600
incident and shane who put the

2056
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,120
documentary out

2057
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:54,239
i have only heard of one person

2058
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,719
that um you know the outcome for them

2059
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,320
was profound

2060
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,440
but i haven't ever spoken to any others

2061
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,040
and it was it is something i would

2062
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,960
really like to know because i do know

2063
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:07,040
the one that was investigated by dr john

2064
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,800
mack in zimbabwe um where they also saw

2065
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:13,199
a craft and describe the beings many of

2066
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:16,400
those as adults have shifted and changed

2067
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,280
in terms of from that contact or that

2068
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,600
seeing that craft or whatever i there's

2069
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,920
also been one in the solomon islands

2070
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:26,000
that was similar to that as well and i

2071
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,120
believe there was one over in california

2072
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,600
um another gentleman told me about so

2073
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,080
they are it does seem to be schools can

2074
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:35,760
sometimes be

2075
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,239
you know have this kind of thing happen

2076
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,719
but certainly it does seem that with

2077
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,880
westall i've heard at least one case

2078
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:44,639
although i haven't worked with

2079
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,679
where they had shifts and chains after

2080
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,760
uh seeing the craft and it would

2081
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:51,760
wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

2082
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,080
because what i've also discovered is

2083
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,960
that when someone sees a craft and they

2084
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:59,360
may think it's only for a few minutes in

2085
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:00,159
fact

2086
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,520
being on the craft they may have

2087
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:03,120
actually been picked up

2088
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:04,880
or they may have had a downloading of

2089
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,520
information and being totally unaware

2090
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,520
consciously that that's gone on because

2091
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,840
when people write to me with sightings

2092
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:13,600
often i'll say to them did you feel

2093
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,440
differently afterwards and they'll

2094
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,440
they'll write back and say well actually

2095
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,840
yes i did and that usually means there's

2096
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,000
been an interaction because when they go

2097
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:24,320
up on the craft of course they have this

2098
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:27,199
ability to stretch time um so that you

2099
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,199
think you've been gone you know you

2100
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:31,120
think that it's been an instant thing or

2101
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,800
you've just seen it for a few minutes

2102
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:34,320
but actually you may have been on the

2103
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,320
craft for much longer and not realized

2104
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:38,080
it because that seems to be an ability

2105
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,040
they have

2106
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:41,760
to stretch time um when you're actually

2107
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,320
on on the craft itself all these things

2108
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,840
we you know are so

2109
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:47,760
a way out of our understanding of

2110
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,480
physics but then again you know i think

2111
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,080
that's what we've got to realize too

2112
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,000
that we really don't know what we don't

2113
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:56,159
know and we don't know what's possible

2114
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,000
or impossible and the only way we're

2115
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,000
going to find out is listening and

2116
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,480
hearing from these experiences in your

2117
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,040
practice have you encountered unrelated

2118
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:07,040
people whether they're children

2119
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:10,239
or adults that have been

2120
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,280
abducted or or they've been they've been

2121
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,760
experienced at the same time something

2122
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,199
along the lines of

2123
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,760
what was uh alleged to have occurred in

2124
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:21,600
the allagash just north of us here in

2125
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,719
maine it's a very famous case but i'm

2126
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,120
kind of interested in in

2127
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:30,400
unrelated adults or children that tell a

2128
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,310
as well i can tell you that i mean

2129
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,320
there's lots of others where families go

2130
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,760
up and they go into different parts of

2131
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:41,440
the spacecraft and they will describe it

2132
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:42,560
from different

2133
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,280
different angles if you like from their

2134
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:47,280
perspective the child describing it the

2135
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:50,080
adult describing it um where they were

2136
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:52,000
taken or and there's lots of those kinds

2137
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:54,560
of cases there was one which was in the

2138
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,840
blue mountains where a group of

2139
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:59,360
investigators um went because they

2140
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,040
believe as a base there

2141
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,440
um and also

2142
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,040
had some interaction which they think

2143
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,320
was with a yowie as well but they um

2144
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:10,400
they asked me um

2145
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,120
to when i went to give a talk in their

2146
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,120
their group whether i would regress them

2147
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,600
all that had gone on that trip because

2148
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,440
they want they knew something strange

2149
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,960
had happened they were aware there was

2150
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:23,280
high strangeness and they deliberately

2151
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:24,800
not talked about it because they knew i

2152
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,600
was coming and they wanted to get their

2153
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,520
individual understanding so that we

2154
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:31,840
could ultimately put it all together and

2155
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,560
see if it correlated if you like and it

2156
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:36,880
was fascinating how each one had their

2157
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,840
own

2158
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,920
awareness of being taken they were taken

2159
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,560
to a base they were shown various things

2160
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:44,480
and each one was able to describe it

2161
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,000
from their perspective but the

2162
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,239
correlations were amazing about what

2163
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:49,920
they'd seen what beings they'd seen

2164
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:51,520
where they'd been put

2165
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,960
and how they'd seen it from their

2166
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,480
particular perspective

2167
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,880
and it was because they were researchers

2168
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,920
themselves

2169
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:59,840
there was no front loading with any of

2170
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,600
them they really wanted to find out

2171
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:03,199
whether or not it was the same

2172
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:05,360
experience or not so there are things

2173
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,239
like this going on all the time which

2174
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,159
you know are wonderful for us as

2175
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:12,800
researchers because there we are getting

2176
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,199
that kind of um

2177
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,280
you know that that's that understanding

2178
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,600
that it really is a reality when you've

2179
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,600
got that kind that when you've got those

2180
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,000
correlating stories or whatever so you

2181
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:26,719
know it how how it's verified or

2182
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,080
whatever so yes it is my answer to that

2183
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,560
and and it i've had them what two people

2184
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,920
who were friends in different parts of

2185
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,760
the country both aware they're on the

2186
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,840
same night they've been taken up and

2187
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:41,040
then um being you know having

2188
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:43,120
it from their perspective but also

2189
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,719
knowing that they were taken up on the

2190
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,719
same craft and living in different parts

2191
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:49,040
of the country for example this as well

2192
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,760
so

2193
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:51,440
there's lots and lots of stories like

2194
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,840
that i mean it's it it you know i find

2195
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,239
it absolutely incredible how

2196
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:59,120
how that can happen and how amazing it

2197
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,719
is your uh

2198
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,880
your survey that you send to people have

2199
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,040
you ever weeded out

2200
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,000
let's say someone that was a wannabe you

2201
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,840
know they wanted to be

2202
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,320
i mean there must be those people too

2203
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,719
are there

2204
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:17,040
um not as many as you think i'm often

2205
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:19,120
when i do the media you know newspapers

2206
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,800
and radio and whatever they always

2207
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,080
wanting to know you know are these

2208
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,840
people just self-seeking

2209
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:26,000
wanting to have their own fantasy and

2210
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,880
you know

2211
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,120
all the rest of it and this is my answer

2212
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:31,120
i have people flying over from america

2213
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,719
from the uk from

2214
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,800
italy and malaysia as well as uh

2215
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,080
domestically

2216
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:38,000
and uh you know if they're flying all

2217
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,840
that way to come and see me

2218
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,760
they're not coming to tell me a fantasy

2219
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,360
they're coming because they really want

2220
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,040
to know stuff and they really want to

2221
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,120
know about their experiences i'm not

2222
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,719
going to make them famous i'm not going

2223
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,400
to you know put their name up in lights

2224
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,080
they're going to get no money from me

2225
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:54,000
nothing they're coming because they need

2226
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:56,480
to tell their story so there's actually

2227
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:00,560
to be honest i would think zero 00.5 is

2228
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,520
probably the the the person that really

2229
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,159
desperately may try and make up a story

2230
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:08,239
but you know you can you can suss them

2231
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,199
out very very quickly i've been in this

2232
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,360
you know for over 20 years there are

2233
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,000
classic indicators not all of them are

2234
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,400
out there you can soon tell if someone's

2235
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,280
just wanting this to be their experience

2236
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,679
and what have you um so

2237
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:26,560
it's very very minimal most people

2238
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:28,000
really they just want to know they're

2239
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,560
not crazy um and they just want to make

2240
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,320
sure that they're not leading themselves

2241
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,400
on down do you know the most skeptical

2242
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,480
and i know most people don't realize

2243
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,040
this the most skeptical of all are often

2244
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,600
the experiences themselves because they

2245
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,120
want to prove to themselves they're not

2246
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,600
crazy and that is more important to them

2247
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,679
and then any kind of fame or fortune

2248
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,280
which most of them anyway would rather

2249
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:50,880
not i mean if you're a lawyer or you're

2250
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,280
a doctor or if you're a psychiatrist or

2251
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:55,760
a psychologist the last thing you want

2252
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,159
actually is to be having experiences you

2253
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:00,639
can't explain through your own um

2254
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:02,719
background or whatever or professionally

2255
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,480
and i need all of them i'm meeting

2256
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:06,880
scientists you know with you know

2257
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:08,639
several phds or whatever who are

2258
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,159
experiences and saying you know there's

2259
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,760
no way in the world i can come out and

2260
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:14,560
say this is my experience and yet this

2261
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,920
is what is going on so most of the time

2262
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,840
they're questioning and they're hoping

2263
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,760
it's not true rather than actually

2264
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:23,760
trying to create it because what are

2265
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:24,560
they going to get they're going to

2266
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:27,199
people laughing at them mocking them you

2267
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:28,800
know telling them they need to take

2268
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,639
lithium or there's something wrong with

2269
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:32,239
them they are not going to get their

2270
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,440
name in lights and they're certainly not

2271
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,520
going to get any money so why would they

2272
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,320
so for most so i know it's a long way of

2273
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,320
saying this but most of the time they're

2274
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,480
people with very real experiences right

2275
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:44,080
um it sounds like someone's trying to

2276
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,360
contact you on skype um uh keep hearing

2277
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,760
uh something come in oh do you want me

2278
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,840
to put

2279
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:53,199
notifications but i don't know if you

2280
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,719
can do that while while we're going

2281
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,880
along here um

2282
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,840
so i've said this before on some of the

2283
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,000
shows if this type of thing was

2284
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:03,600
happening to me

2285
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,239
like i thought i was having you know

2286
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,639
these experiences i don't i don't think

2287
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,480
i could function

2288
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,239
uh it just seems like it would be

2289
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:14,960
all-consuming and i don't think i could

2290
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,199
like have a normal job or a normal life

2291
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:19,440
in any type of way how do these people

2292
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,189
with difficulty to start with

2293
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,600
primarily because of the confusion of

2294
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,920
what the hell is going on am i going

2295
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:31,040
crazy

2296
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:32,719
who's going to believe me

2297
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:33,520
um

2298
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,159
i'm i'm

2299
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,639
i have a friend who's a geneticist and

2300
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:42,719
you know for the first nine months of

2301
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:44,800
his experiences and after seeing you

2302
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,320
know a man being in his his bedroom um

2303
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:50,480
and having all these strange high

2304
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,040
strangeness experiences and downloads he

2305
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:55,199
went to a psychiatrist and it was quite

2306
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:56,560
certain that he was going around the

2307
01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:58,560
bend um it was only when the

2308
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:00,159
psychiatrist couldn't really give him

2309
01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:01,760
any answers and was just offering him

2310
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,159
medication he decided to look into it

2311
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,719
from other levels and and and eventually

2312
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,480
i remember the first time he came to see

2313
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:10,639
me and he said you know he said it was

2314
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,239
great talking to you mary but i was

2315
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:14,960
pretty certain you were bonkers um and

2316
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,280
it wasn't till some time later when he

2317
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:19,840
did his own traveling around and more

2318
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:22,320
investigations he finally came to the

2319
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:23,840
the conclusion that he had to go down

2320
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,159
the rabbit hole um so you know the

2321
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,560
reason i wrote the book awakening was as

2322
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:30,800
a process for people who are questioning

2323
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,520
their sanity and it was how do you know

2324
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:35,600
you're not crazy these are the reasons

2325
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,600
you know you're not crazy what do you do

2326
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,840
about the fear who can you go to who

2327
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,520
isn't going to you know who's going to

2328
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:42,960
support you

2329
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:45,199
what do you do when you start having you

2330
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:47,920
know pre-cognitive information or you

2331
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,239
feel that you know stuff or if you're

2332
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:52,400
you know your psychic abilities start to

2333
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:54,159
see energies or you start to see orbs or

2334
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:56,080
you start to see beings in your lounge

2335
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:57,840
in your lounge room what do you do about

2336
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:00,480
that how do you manage that and so

2337
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:02,560
people go through this process of

2338
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,360
confusion and conflict maybe for some

2339
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,440
it's many months before they get to a

2340
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:09,600
point where you know what this seems to

2341
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:11,760
be a reality seems to be happening i

2342
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:13,760
can't run away from it let me try and

2343
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:15,840
understand it and that's when they start

2344
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:18,239
going crazy you know with looking all

2345
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:19,760
the information on the internet they

2346
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:22,480
absolutely bombard themselves with all

2347
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:24,639
this stuff so that they could start to

2348
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:27,679
get a handle on where it fits for them

2349
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,760
and that is it can be all-consuming for

2350
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,600
months or even for some people even

2351
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:33,840
years till the point comes when there's

2352
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:36,400
an acceptance well you know what i think

2353
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,760
it's real i don't care what anybody else

2354
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:39,679
thinks anymore it's what's happening

2355
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:41,120
it's what's going on and there's an

2356
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:44,080
integration and acceptance and then they

2357
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:45,760
come into a better place they know that

2358
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:47,199
most people aren't going to believe them

2359
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:49,520
so that's okay i just don't talk to them

2360
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:51,679
about this i talk to people who do

2361
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:54,000
understand and then you get the networks

2362
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,520
and the buddy systems and all those

2363
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:57,840
kinds of things and then a lot of them

2364
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,560
open up to communication they start to

2365
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,400
interface with the beings and asking

2366
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:04,080
them questions and getting an

2367
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,840
understanding and then they get more

2368
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:08,400
into the contacty type of thing where

2369
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:09,520
they're actually doing this

2370
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:12,239
communication and they just accept that

2371
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:13,520
there are a lot of people out there that

2372
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:15,920
don't get it are uninformed and don't

2373
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,920
believe it it's frustrating it's even

2374
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:20,000
hard if your partner struggles with it

2375
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:21,840
or your family struggles with it or your

2376
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,080
kids struggle with it but many people

2377
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,400
are saying but i can't deny it anymore

2378
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,560
this is my reality this is this is how i

2379
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,320
am and you know the ones that step out

2380
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,320
the space closet as i call it you know

2381
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:34,560
dr lena olsen is one of them i mean it's

2382
01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:38,080
huge in sweden to come out as a as a phd

2383
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:39,679
a scientist and say this is my

2384
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:43,120
experience i've just had um in my i've

2385
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:44,960
written about her story in my book a

2386
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:47,199
medical doctor in melbourne who's come

2387
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:49,520
out of the closet and said you know what

2388
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:51,600
whether you believe me or not this is my

2389
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:54,080
experience now i've had experience of

2390
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,239
interacting with these galactic beings

2391
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,639
and she's she's standing tall and you

2392
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:01,199
know her family thinks she's crazy

2393
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:02,800
and she's dealing you know she's married

2394
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:05,600
to a a surgeon who thinks she's gone

2395
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,639
around the bend um but they they get to

2396
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:10,239
a point where they can't deny it anymore

2397
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,679
and they're just standing tall and

2398
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:13,520
saying whether you like it or not this

2399
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,199
is my experience now this is how i am

2400
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:19,360
you can take it or leave it and i think

2401
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,320
this is

2402
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,239
what's happening more and more now is

2403
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,159
that people are saying you know what you

2404
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:26,000
can you can think i'm around the bend

2405
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:27,840
this is how it is for me and this is

2406
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:30,400
what makes sense for me but it's huge

2407
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:32,719
it's absolutely huge because if you're a

2408
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,880
lawyer or you're a doctor as i say or

2409
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:36,719
one of these professions where you're

2410
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:39,120
looked to as being reasonably credible

2411
01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:40,800
and here you know policemen the number

2412
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:43,120
of policemen that have had experiences i

2413
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,520
mean gary hesseltine in england has is a

2414
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:48,239
police detective that now runs the ufo

2415
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:51,920
magazine there um ufo truth magazine

2416
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:53,440
because he's had over a thousand

2417
01:34:59,669 --> 01:34:56,960
policemen who've had experiences or um

2418
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,679
seen craft or whatever and he started

2419
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:01,920
out collating all of that and now he's

2420
01:35:05,110 --> 01:35:04,239
running a ufo magazine

2421
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:05,120
um

2422
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:07,520
which goes global about you know people

2423
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,159
with their experiences many many of you

2424
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,239
know pilots all these

2425
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:14,719
we see as credible people are having

2426
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,880
these experiences and many of them are

2427
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,560
too afraid to come out because of their

2428
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,880
professions but there are some brave

2429
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:22,880
souls that are actually doing it because

2430
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,040
they know that it's changed their lives

2431
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,600
and it's real and this is this is the

2432
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:29,440
the issue at the moment isn't it the

2433
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:32,639
truth embargo where most of the public

2434
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:35,360
still is uninformed and this is this is

2435
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:37,280
the problem until

2436
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:39,040
enough people come out that people can

2437
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:40,239
believe

2438
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,120
then

2439
01:35:45,110 --> 01:35:42,880
we're stuck with this conundrum aren't

2440
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,120
we that you know we're talking about

2441
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,360
this but everybody says oh yeah you know

2442
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,320
but a bit too weird for me right

2443
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:52,800
the three of us are products of

2444
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,520
english-speaking western culture and i

2445
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:57,679
think a lot of the cases that we that

2446
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,560
you discuss with us tonight seem to be

2447
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:02,960
english-speaking western culture i'm

2448
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:05,520
kind of curious to see what variations

2449
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:06,880
that you've seen

2450
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:09,440
with respect to people who claim this

2451
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:10,560
experience

2452
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:13,920
who are perhaps uh hindu

2453
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:18,239
or or buddhist or or even even

2454
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:19,520
muslim

2455
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:21,360
what what variations do you see among

2456
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,560
those different

2457
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:25,440
faith groups

2458
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,520
it's really culture and religious

2459
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,080
beliefs um i've

2460
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,400
got a lovely young man in india who

2461
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:34,239
wrote to me in fact i've written his

2462
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:36,719
story there's a new magazine in india

2463
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:37,760
called

2464
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:41,120
ufo india or indian ufo magazine it's

2465
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:42,880
only been out i think they're on their

2466
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:45,040
third edition which i sent the story and

2467
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:46,320
i called it a

2468
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,040
an indian starseed because this young

2469
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:51,440
man wrote to me and said my biggest

2470
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:54,800
issue in my culture mary is i know i'm

2471
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:58,400
not from here i know that i'm um

2472
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,880
i i you know i've come to this planet

2473
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:03,199
from somewhere else he said but all my

2474
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:06,960
culture and the religious beliefs here

2475
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,199
that they are calling gods and he says

2476
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,520
there's about a million gods in india he

2477
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:13,520
said and they all worship them but he

2478
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,080
said my understanding and my knowing is

2479
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,560
they're all extraterrestrials um and

2480
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:20,560
they're worshiping extraterrestrials and

2481
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:23,119
it really really upsets him and he said

2482
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:24,960
and the biggest problem is that with my

2483
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:27,679
own even my own family and friends i

2484
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:29,840
can't tell them that that's what it is

2485
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,080
as far as my understanding is these

2486
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:34,560
these gods that they're worshiping are

2487
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,280
literally extraterrestrials so his

2488
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:39,520
that's his dilemma his cultural

2489
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:40,560
spiritual

2490
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:42,960
dilemma is that he has a knowing that

2491
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,400
that's not what it is i've also met um

2492
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:48,880
i've talked to those in other cultures

2493
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:51,679
as well um interestingly in buddhism the

2494
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,040
dalai lama talks about the

2495
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,119
extraterrestrials and they're you know

2496
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:56,960
that we should treat them as friends and

2497
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:59,600
and treat them respectfully and lovingly

2498
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:01,520
but we've also got you know within

2499
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,560
christian

2500
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:04,080
religious culture

2501
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:06,400
where there are some churches that see

2502
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,719
these as demons rather than as the

2503
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:10,560
catholic church actually admits they're

2504
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:13,199
not demons that they are a that this is

2505
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:14,800
a real experience

2506
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:16,880
um and that you know they're all god's

2507
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,199
children as well they seem to be sitting

2508
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,600
quite nicely on the fence but there are

2509
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:23,920
some christian groups fundamental groups

2510
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:26,480
that literally see them as demons so um

2511
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:29,679
i've i've also heard from some you know

2512
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,119
of the islamic cultures again they

2513
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:35,360
some of them will recognize them or see

2514
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,000
them as demons you know the jinn

2515
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:41,040
um as demons or entities um and some of

2516
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:42,960
them have a knowing that that's not the

2517
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:45,679
case that they um some of these beings

2518
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:47,920
are in fact interdimensionals or

2519
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,040
extraterrestrials as well so it seems to

2520
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,520
very much vary with the awareness of the

2521
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:55,760
individual coming and having a knowing

2522
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,400
like this young man surya who who wrote

2523
01:39:02,229 --> 01:39:01,119
to me he just knows he just

2524
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:02,239
he can't

2525
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:03,520
um cope

2526
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:05,280
with the way that his culture looks at

2527
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,840
them as gods when he knows different and

2528
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,520
this is a knowing that he seems to have

2529
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,159
been born and been conscious with so the

2530
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,880
there's got this awful dilemma that the

2531
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:16,480
many that are

2532
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,639
coming in with this awareness and others

2533
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:20,080
that have been programmed and

2534
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:24,239
conditioned to the the culture cultural

2535
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,639
spiritual or religious belief of that

2536
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:29,280
culture and you know they they're

2537
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,320
fighting

2538
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:32,400
their knowing from what they're being

2539
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,960
taught to believe or expected to believe

2540
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,960
and i've i've even had one young man

2541
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:39,600
suicidal because he was brought up in a

2542
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,080
christian belief system where there was

2543
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,400
no such thing as extraterrestrials and

2544
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,040
he is aware of his own experiences and

2545
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,360
and his his awareness that you know that

2546
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,360
he looks at you know

2547
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:53,119
what they're seeing as spiritual beings

2548
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,400
in a different way

2549
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,400
and his family just can't cope with it

2550
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:58,800
he said because they can't cope i can't

2551
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:01,280
talk about it and he said and i just

2552
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:04,000
don't want to be here because i can't

2553
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,159
tell them my truth because they just

2554
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,400
they just can't handle it because their

2555
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,040
own dogma and belief system does not

2556
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,920
embrace the extraterrestrial hypothesis

2557
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,080
and that is the problem with many of

2558
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,000
those that come in with those beliefs to

2559
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,960
see me they may be you know some brought

2560
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:22,800
up in a christian orthodox way or

2561
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:24,320
whatever but they're having these

2562
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:26,719
experiences and it terrifies them

2563
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,639
because their belief system tells them

2564
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,960
it's a demon and therefore they must be

2565
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,360
bad and you know this is where our

2566
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,760
religions have to wake up and start

2567
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,440
realizing that more and more people are

2568
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:39,360
going to have these experiences and are

2569
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,080
they going to send them away with huge

2570
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,159
fear or are they going to actually start

2571
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,400
to get with the program and realize that

2572
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:48,000
many of these visits are coming from

2573
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,080
just advanced technology you know beings

2574
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,080
with advanced technology you know this

2575
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:53,920
is time to you know to get with the

2576
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,080
modern program and start coming from a

2577
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:58,560
medieval perspective um ed up on the

2578
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:02,000
chat room um wants me to ask uh if you

2579
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:03,119
yourself

2580
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:07,040
have had any ufo contact experience

2581
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:09,520
or have you ever had a you know a close

2582
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:10,800
encounter

2583
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:13,840
or are your conclusions based on these 3

2584
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:18,080
000 cases that you dealt with

2585
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,440
i can say is that um

2586
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:23,840
i've seen ufos

2587
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:26,960
um i'm not aware of ever consciously

2588
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,040
going on board craft

2589
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:31,600
but i will say i've had individuals come

2590
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:34,320
to me and tell me they've seen me there

2591
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:35,280
so

2592
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,239
i can only go from what they say and not

2593
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,360
always in human form i might add um but

2594
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:43,440
i also am aware

2595
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:47,199
that i i feel like i sense sometimes

2596
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:49,520
around me beings that i call the the

2597
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:50,719
non-human

2598
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,000
team so i i sort of um because i work as

2599
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,119
an energy worker and healer um as well

2600
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:00,239
um i sort of tap into those realms a

2601
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,960
little bit and i do feel that i am given

2602
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:04,800
information from

2603
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,360
what i call the non-human team so i have

2604
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,119
a sense of them but i certainly have

2605
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,199
never touched a craft i've never

2606
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:13,199
physically touched any i've never seen

2607
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:16,239
anything physically with my eyes but i

2608
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:18,719
do have um the sense

2609
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:20,880
and an understanding from

2610
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:24,000
just working intuitively if you like

2611
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,239
and and that's as near as i can get but

2612
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:28,480
i would love to one day

2613
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,800
actually go up on one and touch it and

2614
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:32,800
feel it because i'd really like that

2615
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,960
yeah to have that tangibility i suppose

2616
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,560
yeah so earlier in the news i know you

2617
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,360
missed it we were talking about i think

2618
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:41,520
i can't remember where alejandro rojas

2619
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,480
said

2620
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,080
where it was but

2621
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:46,639
um they saw a being and they thought it

2622
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:48,320
was good luck

2623
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,920
because they that's that's how they

2624
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:51,600
looked at it in their culture i think it

2625
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,470
it

2626
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:58,159
a lot of these new children they're

2627
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:00,000
seeing as just psychic kids but they're

2628
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,000
they're not seeing it as a this this

2629
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:05,360
shift as well but yes it's it's still

2630
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,360
interestingly a lot of their academics

2631
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:09,920
that are seeing the images on the caves

2632
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,639
and uh beings being drawn there are

2633
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:14,639
admitting as far as they're concerned

2634
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:17,520
the vivanas are crafts spacecraft and

2635
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:18,800
that they've been visited so the

2636
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,239
academics

2637
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,199
of india and indian culture are coming

2638
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,119
very much to the party of their being

2639
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:26,719
extraterrestrials

2640
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:29,600
um not deities and that was very much

2641
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:32,480
the the push of my article was not just

2642
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:35,520
surya's story but also what the indian

2643
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:38,639
academics in india daily are reporting

2644
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:39,920
you know some of these wonderful

2645
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,040
drawings of the vimanas and beings on

2646
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,880
cave drawings and certainly they're not

2647
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,880
seeing them as deities they're seeing

2648
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:48,719
them as extraterrestrials

2649
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,719
now earlier you mentioned that if

2650
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,280
someone believes that they're having

2651
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,600
an abduction experience

2652
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:57,360
they'll go wild looking all over the

2653
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:59,520
internet for information

2654
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,080
so uh and you've been at this about 20

2655
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,000
years about when the internet started do

2656
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:06,639
you have an idea what things were like

2657
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:10,159
prior to the internet um if abductions

2658
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:11,520
were happening

2659
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:18,870
i think it must have been

2660
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,800
really hard and talking to the older

2661
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:22,960
generations because there was very

2662
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,679
little out there on this and it was

2663
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,600
really the benny you know the the barney

2664
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:29,760
hill betty and barney hill stuff that

2665
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,320
was one of maybe the first that came out

2666
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:34,480
um to explain this wasn't you know

2667
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:35,440
somebody

2668
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:37,840
you know a couple that had an experience

2669
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:39,920
and then you got intruders with bud

2670
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:42,719
hopkins and kathy who spoke about her

2671
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,119
experiences and what have you but there

2672
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,040
was very very little whitney strieber of

2673
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:49,920
course came out with communion and

2674
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:53,600
but it was very very small um in terms

2675
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,840
of the kinds of understanding or

2676
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:57,920
experiences and it was still considered

2677
01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:00,400
extremely weird from what i understand

2678
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:04,000
because i came into it you know 94 95

2679
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,280
time where you know again there was more

2680
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:09,360
and more information starting to be

2681
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,480
disseminated and and by that more and

2682
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:14,719
more people were being informed but it

2683
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:18,800
was very very hard and very very scary

2684
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:19,520
and

2685
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:23,840
a lot of relief now with those older

2686
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,320
generations as this is coming out and

2687
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:28,719
what have you so i can't even imagine

2688
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:31,119
how difficult it was with people

2689
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:33,040
other than what they've told me and how

2690
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:35,280
they just couldn't go there because it

2691
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,600
was just too scary and then these cases

2692
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:39,360
that you've received

2693
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:42,880
particularly let's focus on children

2694
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:44,800
the age seven eight

2695
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,480
like some of the the ages of children

2696
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:48,480
you you've described

2697
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:51,199
have you come across any child that has

2698
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,800
related to you

2699
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,480
something that

2700
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:56,400
would be even beyond the wildest dreams

2701
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:58,639
of any precocious child in the sense

2702
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,480
that have they revealed anything about

2703
01:46:03,189 --> 01:46:02,320
the particle physics

2704
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:03,199
or

2705
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:08,320
their age would really have any

2706
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:10,639
understanding of or any knowledge of but

2707
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:18,149
well i've not been able yet to get the

2708
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,360
information

2709
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:21,600
to a level where i've been able to

2710
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:24,239
present it to the physicists in in free

2711
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:26,480
yet but i can actually tell you there

2712
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,719
are two two particular cases that come

2713
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:30,880
to mind one's a ten-year-old

2714
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,440
in england who spoke to his teachers

2715
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:35,040
saying that they teach in a linear

2716
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,080
fashion he thinks in spirals and he told

2717
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:39,760
me that when he was seven or eight he

2718
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:40,800
was given

2719
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:43,440
formula to create portals and had done

2720
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:44,960
all these drawings

2721
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:45,760
of

2722
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:48,719
um the parents

2723
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,920
were very wary about it going anywhere

2724
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,400
another one was a young man of nine

2725
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,960
who spoke to me and initially he spoke

2726
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,560
because his father was speaking to me

2727
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,719
and he said can i speak to mary

2728
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,480
and i said why do you want to speak to

2729
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:04,560
me he said well i i want to speak to you

2730
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,400
because of your frequency

2731
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,400
he then proceeded to tell me that he was

2732
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:10,400
aware he came from orion

2733
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:13,040
um that he was a light physicist that

2734
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:14,560
was his title

2735
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:17,199
in um in that you know in that

2736
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:20,400
incarnation and he was creating time

2737
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:23,440
travel technology and he said my biggest

2738
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,080
problem on this planet he said is the

2739
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,639
scientists here will not understand the

2740
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,719
physics that i understand because they

2741
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,639
are still quite primitive

2742
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:34,800
and he said the other thing was that the

2743
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,199
oni and he asked his father to do this

2744
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:39,440
to get all the information on nicola

2745
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:42,000
tesla because at least that was a good

2746
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:44,480
baseline for him in terms of showing

2747
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,239
what he understands he was going to work

2748
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,320
from the work of tesla although that

2749
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,040
still was pretty um basic was how he

2750
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:53,199
explained he explained it to me now

2751
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:55,040
we're talking about a nine-year-old

2752
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,119
having absolutely no time for our

2753
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:59,199
particular physicist and their

2754
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:01,040
understanding because it was still very

2755
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:02,159
primitive

2756
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:04,000
i also talked to an eight-year-old who

2757
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,520
was talking about what he was being

2758
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:07,840
taught on the craft and he said some of

2759
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:09,760
it is very complex

2760
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:13,119
so i said to him can you tell me some of

2761
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,400
the information that is so complex

2762
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:19,199
and he said no because it's too complex

2763
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:20,560
for you

2764
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,600
so

2765
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,840
where do you go with that i mean i'll

2766
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,760
leave that with you

2767
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,679
uh here's a

2768
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:29,600
thought have you ever

2769
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:30,400
like

2770
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,199
been in contact with someone that was

2771
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:35,920
claiming that they were being abducted

2772
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,600
and all of a sudden they

2773
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:39,360
became missing you know just plain

2774
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,109
at the time they believe they're being

2775
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:47,760
abducted yes i mean like uh you're

2776
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,199
talking to them they're having these

2777
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:51,119
experiences and then all of a sudden

2778
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:56,790
no that that's never happened although

2779
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:59,920
some have rung me in great fear knowing

2780
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,600
that they were going to be picked up

2781
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:03,760
that night and be and i've actually had

2782
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,239
to talk to them and and calm them down

2783
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,080
and what have you and i use a very

2784
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,080
pragmatic um

2785
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,239
you know sort of way of responding to

2786
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,480
that often as not because i said look

2787
01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:16,159
you know you've been picked up many

2788
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:17,600
times before

2789
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:19,840
which you know most of them are aware of

2790
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:21,199
i said they've always brought you back

2791
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,800
you still had your head attached to your

2792
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,880
body and your arms attached to your body

2793
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:26,400
and whatever and you've still been able

2794
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:28,239
to go to work or or to school or

2795
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:31,360
whatever it is the next day i said so

2796
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,040
the chances are of the same thing

2797
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:34,800
happening if it happens tonight is that

2798
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,920
you're still going to find yourself

2799
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,920
waking up in the morning getting ready

2800
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:39,360
to go to work and what have you may be

2801
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:42,480
very tired and exhausted but still in

2802
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:45,520
one piece um and that seems to be

2803
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:47,199
strangely that seems to be very

2804
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:48,880
comforting is to remind them that

2805
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,800
they've been through this before and

2806
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,119
they've come out the other end and you

2807
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,360
know so i've as far as i know that's

2808
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:57,119
always been the case with the ones that

2809
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,880
i've worked with i wouldn't know about

2810
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,400
ones that have gone missing and never

2811
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:02,639
come back because i've never come across

2812
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,320
that i see okay about your book the

2813
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:08,239
new human awakening to our cosmic

2814
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,520
heritage

2815
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:11,840
i believe you sent me that uh

2816
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,600
that information

2817
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,520
is that a book that's out now or is that

2818
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,000
coming out

2819
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:20,000
that's actually uh published now i

2820
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:21,840
published it at the end of december it's

2821
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:24,320
on amazon for those out of australia

2822
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:26,239
which is the best way for them to access

2823
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:29,040
it they can get it directly from me

2824
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:30,800
actually in australia the trouble is

2825
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:32,719
sending it overseas is just ridiculous

2826
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:34,480
postage so i just say it's cheaper for

2827
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,639
them to go via amazon but yes it's

2828
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,639
available now and

2829
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:41,360
this is not the book that has the uh the

2830
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:43,040
children that you've interviewed or is

2831
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:44,960
it

2832
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:49,199
chapters are about the children and

2833
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:50,960
their parents and then it goes into

2834
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,440
teenagers and then it goes into adults

2835
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:55,920
that have had you know activations and

2836
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:58,080
awareness of their including the md i

2837
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,000
talked about the medical doctor and

2838
01:51:03,590 --> 01:51:01,920
including um actually a minister of

2839
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,600
religion is in there coming out for the

2840
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:06,080
first time and dr leena olsen is always

2841
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:07,280
covered she's coming out with her

2842
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:09,920
awareness of all the dna changes as well

2843
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:12,400
so it's it's quite comprehensive in

2844
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:13,920
looking at all the new programs of

2845
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,000
children all of these these children

2846
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:17,679
you've spoken to when you talk about

2847
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:20,239
upgrades you talk about indigo children

2848
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,239
you talk about adhd really being

2849
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:24,000
misconstrued

2850
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,990
with so many different cases

2851
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:31,520
and so many different people that you've

2852
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,560
interviewed

2853
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:34,560
what is your hypothesis of what the end

2854
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:36,960
game is here what is this all about if

2855
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,599
this is a true phenomenon then what is

2856
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:41,599
the goal what what is what is the end

2857
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:48,310
i've got a few but the main one seems to

2858
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,040
be

2859
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,159
the evidence of having experiences when

2860
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:54,000
you get 85

2861
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:55,440
as we've now discovered through the

2862
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,320
surveys having a psycho spiritual

2863
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,719
transformation in terms of

2864
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,639
their paradigm shift

2865
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:04,480
and the way that they're redirected

2866
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:05,520
through it

2867
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,480
seems to be certainly one of the goals

2868
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,960
of this interaction and that was why i

2869
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,040
wrote awakening how it can transform

2870
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,280
your life because it does and dr mack

2871
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:17,520
found this that people changed in

2872
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:19,679
amazing ways and usually very positive

2873
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:21,760
ways once they came to terms with it and

2874
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:24,400
they understood it so

2875
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:26,080
psycho spiritual transformation means

2876
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,199
also they become more

2877
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:29,040
multi-dimensionally aware

2878
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:31,280
my senses the reason they want us to

2879
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:33,520
become more multi-dimensionally aware

2880
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:36,560
more aware of the matrix more aware of

2881
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:38,719
the holographic universe and our connect

2882
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,199
our connection to everything including

2883
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,080
these intelligences that for many ways

2884
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:45,920
are are communicating with us

2885
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,560
telepathically it's a we're getting to a

2886
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,400
point i believe where we'll be able to

2887
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,920
interface with them

2888
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:54,239
on that level that it's it's upgrading

2889
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:57,679
us to a point where we will be able to

2890
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:59,760
literally rather than verbally

2891
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:01,199
communicate

2892
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:03,920
as these children born telepathic they

2893
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:06,560
will communicate with us telepathically

2894
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,880
and we will have a true kind of

2895
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:11,360
communion with them a true kind of

2896
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:13,440
understanding of who they are what

2897
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,320
they're about but there seems to be this

2898
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:18,320
this upgrading is part of

2899
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:19,840
getting us ready

2900
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:24,239
acknowledge we're not the only ones in

2901
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:26,239
this um in this universe that there are

2902
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:28,159
many different species of intelligence

2903
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:30,880
out there and that as we become galactic

2904
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,239
citizens we need to be more evolved

2905
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:36,960
galactic citizens and do you know and do

2906
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,520
what they're doing become part of that

2907
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:41,520
galactic community so my sense is that

2908
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:44,400
we're getting prepared for contact in a

2909
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:47,040
very very real way and through this

2910
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:49,119
upgrading of our consciousness that we

2911
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,599
can communicate in this way rather than

2912
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,480
rely on the very primitive vocal

2913
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,159
way that we're doing now where there is

2914
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,960
a lot of misunderstandings and

2915
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:01,360
as we all know you know often that the

2916
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:03,040
way we think and the way we say things

2917
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:04,880
doesn't always come out right i think

2918
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:08,080
it's a purer way of communicating so

2919
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,280
those are that's part of it at least

2920
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,760
other stuff may be part of their agenda

2921
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:15,679
and i think it's very very complex and i

2922
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,080
think it's it's multi-complex as well

2923
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,239
but that's how i've come to understand

2924
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:22,400
it at this point if that makes sense uh

2925
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:24,239
there was uh uh

2926
01:55:04,390 --> 01:54:25,280
a

2927
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:04,400
the child

2928
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,920
picked up on the mother's thoughts and

2929
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:07,760
did something quite

2930
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:10,800
bizarre that only could have been known

2931
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:13,679
if he'd um picked it up from his mother

2932
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,000
and this was you know this was within my

2933
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:18,560
own my own relatives

2934
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:20,560
and i believe them absolutely because of

2935
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:22,800
what i heard but you know i haven't had

2936
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:24,159
a telepathic communion with

2937
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,400
communication with anyone so unless i've

2938
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:29,040
experienced it actually myself

2939
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:31,599
or tested it out no i haven't but i do

2940
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:33,040
know that

2941
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:34,719
there are studies now being done with

2942
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:37,040
the autistic children with a medical

2943
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:39,599
doctor a neuroscientist actually that's

2944
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:41,840
doing that and she's already found one

2945
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,480
one savant that is actually um doing

2946
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,040
this uh telepathic communication with

2947
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:48,960
his mother and she's doing the testing

2948
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:51,360
so it will come out and it will be shown

2949
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:54,080
at some point very good well mary um

2950
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:55,520
do you want to give out your website

2951
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:01,109
absolutely um uh it's

2952
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:03,360
maryrodwell.com.edu

2953
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:08,480
or it's a cern a c e r n dot com dot a u

2954
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:11,679
and i've got facebook and i've also um

2955
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:13,599
you know people can communicate with me

2956
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,840
through either of those methods

2957
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:17,599
or they just need to google me because

2958
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:20,080
there's many presentations on on youtube

2959
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:21,599
and what have you as well very good well

2960
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:23,520
thanks so much it's been a real pleasure

2961
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:26,480
really enjoyed talking to you

2962
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,000
martin it's been an absolute pleasure

2963
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:29,920
thank you so much for inviting me and i

2964
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:31,599
hope you have a wonderful thank you and

2965
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:33,840
have a wonderful afternoon right or

2966
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:36,000
still morning there yeah

2967
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,000
all right it is take care

2968
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:43,510
all right everyone uh thanks so much uh

2969
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:46,159
here we are in the studio and uh that is

2970
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:49,599
a wrap for today next week we have john

2971
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:52,560
de souza um he is a former fbi agent

2972
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:54,639
he'll be on next week

2973
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:56,480
we do have a schedule all the way out to

2974
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:58,320
july i think of some really good guests

2975
01:57:01,910 --> 01:56:59,520
coming up

2976
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:01,920
and some great shows uh thanks so much

2977
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:04,159
for listening live and uh donnie thank

2978
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:06,560
you for joining in studio thanks for

2979
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:08,960
having me all right all right everyone

2980
01:57:17,210 --> 01:57:11,199
so uh remember to keep your eyes to the